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1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

Mo is going to dominate in SF. I've said for 2 seasons now that he will be a player who leaves here and becomes a household name. It will be another feather in the mismanagement cap of Gruden and his staff.

This dude couldn't beat out Maliek Collins for snaps, lol. 

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59 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

He was our best dt last 2-3 years 🤦🏽‍♂️Wtf lol

That's like being the tallest midget, it doesn't mean much. Andre James was eating his soul at practice.

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46 minutes ago, Turnobili said:

Denico Autry and Shelby Harris were other recent ones

I really think Autry and Harris benefited from playing alongside much better DL on better defenses.  It's like being a DE next to Aaron Donald.  OL are so scared of A. Donald that they forget the DE exists, and then the DE has a 10 sack season and signs elsewhere for big bucks, then they fall off because they aren't playing next to A. Donald anymore.  Autry went to the Colts who have a really good defense and DL and Harris went to the Broncos who have a really good defense and DL.  Hurst will have a very productive year if he starts, because of the players around him.  Put him back on the Raiders and he'll probably end up with stats close to what he's had with us in the past.

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1 minute ago, NYRaider said:

This dude couldn't beat out Maliek Collins for snaps, lol. 

Statistically he almost doubled what Collins did with half the snaps.  Now a lot of what 3T do does not show up in the stats but I think it had more to do with the coaches pulling for Collins than it was Collins playing better than Hurst.  I also see Hurst as more of a specialist 3T but that does not mean Collins should have received more playtime.

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Just now, drfrey13 said:

Statistically he almost doubled what Collins did with half the snaps.  Now a lot of what 3T do does not show up in the stats but I think it had more to do with the coaches pulling for Collins than it was Collins playing better than Hurst.  I also see Hurst as more of a specialist 3T but that does not mean Collins should have received more playtime.

Hurst had his flashes but our interior pass rush has been absolutely terrible all 3 years he has been on the roster and he was never able to seize the opportunity to become a consistent/player starter for us. Hurst is an okay rotational piece that can get after the QB occasionally but he's small and gets washed in the run game. 

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5 minutes ago, Jerry said:

I really think Autry and Harris benefited from playing alongside much better DL on better defenses.  It's like being a DE next to Aaron Donald.  OL are so scared of A. Donald that they forget the DE exists, and then the DE has a 10 sack season and signs elsewhere for big bucks, then they fall off because they aren't playing next to A. Donald anymore.  Autry went to the Colts who have a really good defense and DL and Harris went to the Broncos who have a really good defense and DL.  Hurst will have a very productive year if he starts, because of the players around him.  Put him back on the Raiders and he'll probably end up with stats close to what he's had with us in the past.

That is one of the reasons why we have to swing for the fences when we have top 5-10 picks.  Forget leadership.  We need a dominant force and preferably on the line.  We should have been the ones to take Kinlaw or trade for Buckner.  Take our defense now and replace Jefferson/Thomas with Buckner/Kinlaw and Ruggs with Jefferson.  

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4 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Hurst had his flashes but our interior pass rush has been absolutely terrible all 3 years he has been on the roster and he was never able to seize the opportunity to become a consistent/player starter for us. Hurst is an okay rotational piece that can get after the QB occasionally but he's small and gets washed in the run game. 

That is why I said he is more of a specialist and that the coaches wanted Collins out there even though he was not producing as much as Hurst.  My point was that Collins did not beat him out and Hurst was just filling the role the team wanted him for.  Would have liked to see him out there more towards the end of the year when we had very little chance of making the playoffs the same way I would have liked to see Mariota out there.  They need to stop trying to figure who is better in practice at the end of the year when we are not going to the playoffs and see if you have some gamers.  I knew plenty of guys that just took it to another level during the game and just went through the motions at practice.

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8 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

That is one of the reasons why we have to swing for the fences when we have top 5-10 picks.  Forget leadership.  We need a dominant force and preferably on the line.  We should have been the ones to take Kinlaw or trade for Buckner.  Take our defense now and replace Jefferson/Thomas with Buckner/Kinlaw and Ruggs with Jefferson.  

Yeah.  Seeing how the Rams are doing it, and with how bad we draft in the first, I would prefer we start trading first round picks for proven vets.

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23 minutes ago, Jerry said:

I really think Autry and Harris benefited from playing alongside much better DL on better defenses.  It's like being a DE next to Aaron Donald.  OL are so scared of A. Donald that they forget the DE exists, and then the DE has a 10 sack season and signs elsewhere for big bucks, then they fall off because they aren't playing next to A. Donald anymore.  Autry went to the Colts who have a really good defense and DL and Harris went to the Broncos who have a really good defense and DL.  Hurst will have a very productive year if he starts, because of the players around him.  Put him back on the Raiders and he'll probably end up with stats close to what he's had with us in the past.

autry was productive on the raiders too, though

and harris was always a fan favorite who seemingly never saw the field despite always showing well when he did

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6 minutes ago, Turnobili said:

autry was productive on the raiders too, though

and harris was always a fan favorite who seemingly never saw the field despite always showing well when he did

Well they really broke out when they went to better defenses.  That's all I'm saying.

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3 hours ago, big_palooka said:

Can't help but laugh at this one. Fans here calling him the "Darren Waller on defense". So much of you had blind hope on him being an answer to the interior pass rush. 

Solomon Thomas szn I guess 

I called this.  I was saying he was lucky if he made the team and people were floating 8 sacks and a breakout for this guy. 

He was juiced out during the 2017 season and without the juice he is a total bum.  Out of football for years no longer on the juice.... Didn't even make it to training camp.  Back on the couch where he belongs LOL

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1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

This dude couldn't beat out Maliek Collins for snaps, lol. 

they werent going to let anybody beat maliek collins for snaps after dubbing him the centerpiece of the defense before camp even started. his snaps over Hurst were about as earned as Witten's over Moreau

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I guess it's slow until training camp so people overreacting to little news. Hurst getting hyped like he is an all pro, and he is likely just a rotation piece for the 9ers and the same tier as Jefferson.  Irving was like the 4th or 5th DT and was cut. not the end of the world 

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