TL-TwoWinsAway Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Anyone need more Derek Wolfe in their life? I won't be dropping him, but I could move him for a late pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: The sim vs real life of Mr. Fred Warner S21 NSFL Stats/2020 NFL Season stats (Only counted tackles, not assisted tackles) Stuffs = TFL; Cov = PD TCK TFL PD SCK INT NSFL 85 7 5 6 0 IRL 79 5 6 1 2 6 2 -1 5 -2 The guy that is arguably the best LB in the game IRL. As a simmed version, he isn't that far off and in some ways better than his IRL counterpart. counterargument NSFL S21 (16 games): 85 TCK, 7 TFL, 5 PD, 6 SCK, 0 INT NSFL S22 (adj to 16G): 45 TCK, 2.6 TFL, 2.6 PD, 0 SCK, 0 INT my conclusion: Sim LB stats are inconsistent. He's good, but I'm fully in the camp that a player has to REALLY prove it in order to pay 2 tags to keep, let alone a significant package of picks I think my offer was a late round pick + rookie keeper gamble (Oweh, 1st rd edge, Ravens). Which I knew was a lowball, but you came in like 10x my offer lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Any "tanking" teams have an interest in starting three kickers at LB for a few games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tk3 said: counterargument NSFL S21 (16 games): 85 TCK, 7 TFL, 5 PD, 6 SCK, 0 INT NSFL S22 (adj to 16G): 45 TCK, 2.6 TFL, 2.6 PD, 0 SCK, 0 INT my conclusion: Sim LB stats are inconsistent. He's good, but I'm fully in the camp that a player has to REALLY prove it in order to pay 2 tags to keep, let alone a significant package of picks I think my offer was a late round pick + rookie keeper gamble (Oweh, 1st rd edge, Ravens). Which I knew was a lowball, but you came in like 10x my offer lol You could be totally right. So here's what I think will be interesting - I have Mike Tomlin and Robert Saleh. My team has a defensive focus. We're running a 3-4. @swoosh has an offensive minded HC and is running a 4-3. We have a pretty good sample size (8 games) to see what difference, if any, the HC and the scheme will have on a player's performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Any "tanking" teams have an interest in starting three kickers at LB for a few games? The argument against is not that LB's don't matter at all, the argument is the supply is rich enough that the impact you need to get your return on investment is not likely to be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: The argument against is not that LB's don't matter at all, the argument is the supply is rich enough that the impact you need to get your return on investment is not likely to be reached. Which, honestly, sounds like the elite/great ones are undervalued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 The auction for Derek Wolfe has begun. The bidding will start at a S25 10th round pick. Do I hear a S25 10th round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: The argument against is not that LB's don't matter at all, the argument is the supply is rich enough that the impact you need to get your return on investment is not likely to be reached. Maybe @TheKillerNacho could clarify but what it feels like (and this is where I could be wrong) that the impact of a player isn't always reflected and/or measured in the stats. His comment re: OL seemed to indicate this. It's possible that the impact of a high end LB or some other position is not really demonstrated or reflected in the stats and as a result is they are under valued. However, just like in real football, you either build your defense front to back or back to front. I like my DE's and NT, have had zero luck in the S sphere and my CB's have been making plays. I paid a price that was a bit richer than I initially was planning on but I got a guy that I like and hope he'll have an impact now and in the future. So we'll see how it shakes out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: The argument against is not that LB's don't matter at all, the argument is the supply is rich enough that the impact you need to get your return on investment is not likely to be reached. 41 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Which, honestly, sounds like the elite/great ones are undervalued. I actually agree on both counts My counterargument in this case is that the gap between "elite" LB and "good" LB is more narrow than "elite" WR to "good" WR. And at least as far as stats go - inconsistent Darius Leonard was elite for me... until he wasn't. Then I got Darius Leonard type of stats out of Kenneth Murray Idk, I'm not telling you you're wrong, I just don't share your opinions Then again, Nacho has trolled me for my opinions on LB, so who the eff knows Edited July 23, 2021 by Tk3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 just realized we have (potentially) games today! Big week 9 for the red division Lancaster Fighting Amish @ South Africa Woolly MammothsReykjavík Direwolves @ Anchorage MooseRio de Janeiro Pirates @ Hanoi Viet Kongs If the Kongs beat the Pirates, then the Pirates basically need to win out the last 7 (or at least go 6-1). They can be the dagger in the Pirates, while cementing themselves. Similarly, the Direwolves winning keeps them in the division race, and really boosts their playoff odds, as Moose are a bubble team. But a loss for Direwolves REALLY puts us on the bubble in a bad way. Mammoths have their layup, but absolutely need to convert it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Maybe @TheKillerNacho could clarify but what it feels like (and this is where I could be wrong) that the impact of a player isn't always reflected and/or measured in the stats. His comment re: OL seemed to indicate this. It's possible that the impact of a high end LB or some other position is not really demonstrated or reflected in the stats and as a result is they are under valued. However, just like in real football, you either build your defense front to back or back to front. I like my DE's and NT, have had zero luck in the S sphere and my CB's have been making plays. I paid a price that was a bit richer than I initially was planning on but I got a guy that I like and hope he'll have an impact now and in the future. So we'll see how it shakes out. They may be undervalued but it still doesn't change the fact that you can get comparable or slightly less impact players consistently in the draft every season. Warner needs to be far above a replacement level player to really make him worth consistently keeping year after year over more impactful positions that have far less supply in the draft. Which he may be, but it is a risky proposition. But you do you, you get your guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tk3 said: just realized we have (potentially) games today! Big week 9 for the red division Lancaster Fighting Amish @ South Africa Woolly MammothsReykjavík Direwolves @ Anchorage MooseRio de Janeiro Pirates @ Hanoi Viet Kongs If the Kongs beat the Pirates, then the Pirates basically need to win out the last 7 (or at least go 6-1). They can be the dagger in the Pirates, while cementing themselves. Similarly, the Direwolves winning keeps them in the division race, and really boosts their playoff odds, as Moose are a bubble team. But a loss for Direwolves REALLY puts us on the bubble in a bad way. Mammoths have their layup, but absolutely need to convert it. It's also a big day for @TL-TwoWinsAway's marriage. I hate to be a homewrecker but, here we are......😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Maybe @TheKillerNacho could clarify but what it feels like (and this is where I could be wrong) that the impact of a player isn't always reflected and/or measured in the stats. His comment re: OL seemed to indicate this. It's possible that the impact of a high end LB or some other position is not really demonstrated or reflected in the stats and as a result is they are under valued. However, just like in real football, you either build your defense front to back or back to front. I like my DE's and NT, have had zero luck in the S sphere and my CB's have been making plays. I paid a price that was a bit richer than I initially was planning on but I got a guy that I like and hope he'll have an impact now and in the future. So we'll see how it shakes out. Definitely players can make more of an impact than just their stats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tk3 said: I actually agree on both counts My counterargument in this case is that the gap between "elite" LB and "good" LB is more narrow than "elite" WR to "good" WR. And at least as far as stats go - inconsistent Darius Leonard was elite for me... until he wasn't. Then I got Darius Leonard type of stats out of Kenneth Murray Idk, I'm not telling you your wrong, I just don't share your opinions Then again, Nacho has trolled me for my opinions on LB, so who the eff knows No, absolutely... I pretty much agree. I just think the value here is tough to fully understand. Some players that get elite stats are disregarded by the experienced owners, while stats are the sole basis used to gauge the impact of other positions. So... which is it? Do we look at stats (and stats alone) and conclude that TEs lack value, or do we conclude that certain players are more important than others based on everything but stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: It's also a big day for @TL-TwoWinsAway's marriage. I hate to be a homewrecker but, here we are......😀 I'm terrified. If I win - which I think I will - she'll just drift farther from me and closer to you. Quite the conundrum. (I'll take the win regardless. She can deal with it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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