Matts4313 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BStanRamFan said: Can we focus our attention on taking away a guaranteed playoff seed from the NFC East until they deserve it again? Too many good teams were left out the past 2 years or so. In the last 15 years, how many superbowls has your division won? How about the AFCW? AFCS? NFCS? AFCN? NFCN? How about we take away your nice things until you deserve it. Pretty sure the only division that tops the East is... well the other East. (tongue in cheek) Edited June 8, 2021 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: In the last 15 years, how many superbowls has your division won? How about the AFCW? AFCS? NFCS? AFCN? NFCN? How about we take away your nice things until you deserve it. Pretty sure the only division that tops the East is... well the other East. (tongue in cheek) Superbowl wins you got me, but SuperBowl appearences the NFC West is dominant. I realize it will never happen, but hate being in a division where we beat the snot out of each other 6 games a year and the 3rd place team could of won the NFC East. 2020 Cardinals>WFT 2019 Rams>Philly Top 7 teams in each conference should make the playoffs regardless of division. Again, I realize it will never happen. I also fully support keeping NFC East on primetime. Lot of history in those franchises that makes the NFL ALOT of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BStanRamFan said: I realize it will never happen, but hate being in a division where we beat the snot out of each other 6 games a year and the 3rd place team could of won the NFC East. You realize this is such a new phenomena that its almost not worth even talking about? Were not that far removed from your division being 1 team and 3 dumpster fires. Give it a season or two and things will balance themselves back out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britishovertheborder Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 I think as others have pointed out it's about ratings - if they keep bringing the ratings in, the stations keep airing the teams. I don't begrudge the NFC East teams the airtime no matter how badly they play if they're the ratings generators. I think it isn't something to take for granted though - if other teams put in the groundwork over several years with success, merchandise sales etc. then they might become the ones who are frequently aired. I think as long as every team does have some minimal level of exposure we can't complain too much, and if it really isn't what people want then they'll stop watching the games and the broadcasters might re-think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) The whole NFCE pays the bills is a bit of a misnomer. Dallas definitely pulls their weight (and then some), NY, Philly, WFT are all deadweight. They all living off being in Jerry's World shadow. Top Rated NFL Games and Teams Can’t Fix Ratings Slide – Sportico.com TLDR : Highest Rated Games 2020 Saints-Bucs 49ers - Pats Giants - Cowboys Saints - Bears Seahawks - Cowboys Steelers - Cowboys Packers - Bucs Texans - Chiefs Seahawks - Rams Rams - Cowboys Highest Average Viewership 2020 Dallas New Orleans Tampa Bay Seattle Las Vegas Pittsburgh New England Kansas City San Francisco Green Bay Edited June 10, 2021 by animaltested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, animaltested said: The whole NFCE pays the bills is a bit of a misnomer. Dallas definitely pulls their weight (and then some), NY, Philly, WFT are all deadweight. They all living off being in Jerry's World shadow. Top Rated NFL Games and Teams Can’t Fix Ratings Slide – Sportico.com TLDR : Highest Rated Games 2020 Saints-Bucs 49ers - Pats Giants - Cowboys Saints - Bears Seahawks - Cowboys Steelers - Cowboys Packers - Bucs Texans - Chiefs Seahawks - Rams Rams - Cowboys Highest Average Viewership 2020 Dallas New Orleans Tampa Bay Seattle Las Vegas Pittsburgh New England Kansas City San Francisco Green Bay Using 2020 is such a farce. We were all terrible. Historically it was the 2nd or 3rd worst season ever for a division. Go back and look at 2016, 2017, 2018. NFL ratings went down for the first time in years and the NFCE sucked. Coincidence? 🧐 Edited June 10, 2021 by Matts4313 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 hours ago, animaltested said: The whole NFCE pays the bills is a bit of a misnomer. Dallas definitely pulls their weight (and then some), NY, Philly, WFT are all deadweight. They all living off being in Jerry's World shadow. Top Rated NFL Games and Teams Can’t Fix Ratings Slide – Sportico.com TLDR : Highest Rated Games 2020 Saints-Bucs 49ers - Pats Giants - Cowboys Saints - Bears Seahawks - Cowboys Steelers - Cowboys Packers - Bucs Texans - Chiefs Seahawks - Rams Rams - Cowboys Highest Average Viewership 2020 Dallas New Orleans Tampa Bay Seattle Las Vegas Pittsburgh New England Kansas City San Francisco Green Bay Note that this is not for the full season. It's only midway through November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Why does any of this even matter? It's 2021; we can watch any game we choose whenever we want. It's not like we're forced to only watch the game that SNF gives us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24isthelaw Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 People watch the NFC East, so they show it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 7 hours ago, 24isthelaw said: People watch the NFC East, so they show it. That follows from where the teams are located. all four cities are top 10 TV markets Nielsen's rankings 1 New York 2 Los Angeles 3 Chicago 4 Philadelphia 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 7 Washington, DC 8 Houston 9 Boston 10 Atlanta The AFC East has three--NY, Washington, Boston. No other division has more than two. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: That follows from where the teams are located. all four cities are top 10 TV markets Nielsen's rankings 1 New York 2 Los Angeles 3 Chicago 4 Philadelphia 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 7 Washington, DC 8 Houston 9 Boston 10 Atlanta The AFC East has three--NY, Washington, Boston. No other division has more than two. J That has something to do with it, but for the most part there is a decent national following for each of us as well. Obviously Cowboys have the biggest national draw of all NFL teams, but you cant tell me that people in FL arent watching the Giants. Half their state is retired NY'ers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: That has something to do with it, but for the most part there is a decent national following for each of us as well. Obviously Cowboys have the biggest national draw of all NFL teams, but you cant tell me that people in FL arent watching the Giants. Half their state is retired NY'ers That's an exaggeration, but Miami and Tamp-St Pete are both in the second ten markets. You raise a good point with national teams. Because of Patrick Mahomes, the smallest market of the 32 has national appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 3:45 PM, BStanRamFan said: Can we focus our attention on taking away a guaranteed playoff seed from the NFC East until they deserve it again? Too many good teams were left out the past 2 years or so. I wouldn't go that far, but I would strip the top 4 seed guarantee from division winners. The eventual champions Tampa Bay had the actual 4th-best record in the NFC, but were forced to start their title run in Washington (who finished 7-9) because they didn't win the NFC South. Washington, knowing very well they should be starting the playoffs on the road (which would have occurred in New Orleans in such a scenario), wore their white jerseys. It took actually getting to the Super Bowl for the Bucs to have a home playoff game. Ironically, they wore white jerseys despite being the designated home team, even though the weather was mild enough for their colored jerseys to be worn. The NBA has the right idea to some extent, though they don't guarantee a playoff berth for division winners in seeding each conference's playoff teams by record, in practice though all division leaders in the NBA play well enough to earn a spot in the playoffs (as long as they don't continue those stupid play-in games, I have a better idea for revamping what teams get into the playoffs - top 16 teams by record regardless of conference, playoffs still nominally conferenced, with teams sometimes crossing over to the other conference for the playoffs if a conference has 9 or more teams in the top 16 a la CFL). Back to the main point about playoff seeding, the NBA has indeed realized the problems with seeding priority for division winners. I feel the top 4 seeds in each conference should go to the four actual best teams in each conference irrespective of divisional affiliation, even if it means a division winner opens the playoffs on the road, which hasn't actually happened since 1989, and we are overdue for it to happen again. There are two interesting scenarios that can come from removing seeding priority for division winners: 1. A division winner is so bad, they get the lowest seed in the conference, with no chance of a home playoff game, and still go on to win the Super Bowl 2. The top two seeds in a conference are from the same division, and go on to meet in the CCG, easily making this game the biggest in the history of the division rivalry in question (this actually happened in 1982 due to the strike, and that season proved that removing seeding priority for division winners can work; Washington beat Dallas in the NFC title game that year). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: That's an exaggeration, but Miami and Tamp-St Pete are both in the second ten markets. You raise a good point with national teams. Because of Patrick Mahomes, the smallest market of the 32 has national appeal. He's from Texas. A large portion of us have made the Chiefs our #2 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Matts4313 said: He's from Texas. A large portion of us have made the Chiefs our #2 team. You are not the first NFC fan who has claimed the Chiefs as their AFC team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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