TecmoSuperJoe Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 7 hours ago, TVScout said: That is all propaganda: Jerry Jones wanted to pick Johnny Manziel, had draft card 'snatched' Jerry Jones really, really wanted Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL Draft. So much so that his son had to intervene. The Draft is really under the control of Steven and company. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/18/6032989/johnny-manziel-jerry-jones-nfl-draft-cowboys Why does Jerry have the draft card in his hand in the first place? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Well...I'll just say that it's not good optics when it seems like every draft in the war room Jerry is at the table looking like the head honcho doing all the wheelin and dealin. Maybe he really is more hands off now, but...does he still have final say? Or is he just more "open minded"? I guess any owner technically has "final say", but it's harder to give Jerry the benefit of the doubt. Acting like head honcho? He simply makes the phone calls because he likes to be in the media. Our draft process is this: Coaches tell Will McClay what type of players they like Will McClay makes our draft board. Draft day is an open conversation, but mainly led by McClay and Stephen Jones. Jerry then calls the player. And thats been the process for a very long time now. Which is why weve drafted the most all pro/probowl players in the past ~15 years. Or at least that stat was true a couple seasons ago. Edited June 4, 2021 by Matts4313 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Why hasn’t any team that hasn’t won the Super Bowl in the past 25 years won the Super Bowl in the past 25 years? It’s hard to win a Super Bowl and there are a lot of excellent teams gunning for the same thing. Everything needs to come together in a perfect confluence of roster strength, situation, and luck. For the Cowboys (and many other teams) it hasn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: Why hasn’t any team that hasn’t won the Super Bowl in the past 25 years won the Super Bowl in the past 25 years? It’s hard to win a Super Bowl and there are a lot of excellent teams gunning for the same thing. Everything needs to come together in a perfect confluence of roster strength, situation, and luck. For the Cowboys (and many other teams) it hasn’t. This ties to luck, but you have to be healthy. A huge factor for most teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: This ties to luck, but you have to be healthy. A huge factor for most teams. IMO, it's the most important thing - every team that can be mentioned as a playoff caliber team has talent, scheme and coaching to a point where it's not a weakness (not even a strength, mind you - it's just not lacking to where it's a disadvantage). The difference often comes down to health - a 16/17 game season plus playoffs is a war of attrition, and sometimes the difference is who is available (I know I'm not the only one who believes KC wins if the OL wasn't missing some critical guys...) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 They haven’t even been to a conference championship game though. So it’s not like they have been close either. I think Washington and the Lions are the only other NFC teams that can say that in the last 25 years. That’s crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, CP3MVP said: They haven’t even been to a conference championship game though. So it’s not like they have been close either. I think Washington and the Lions are the only other NFC teams that can say that in the last 25 years. That’s crazy It’s not crazy. You’re saying the difference between “they’ve been unlucky, it’s hard to win a Super Bowl” and “there’s something fundamentally wrong with their approach over the last two decades and we need to discuss it” is winning one extra game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: It’s not crazy. You’re saying the difference between “they’ve been unlucky, it’s hard to win a Super Bowl” and “there’s something fundamentally wrong with their approach over the last two decades and we need to discuss it” is winning one extra game? How many times have they been in position to win that one extra game in the last 25 years? They’re not close the vast majority of the time Yes There is something fundamentally wrong with what they are doing Edited June 4, 2021 by CP3MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, CP3MVP said: How many times have they been in position to win that one extra game in the last 25 years? They’re not close the vast majority of the time Yes There is something fundamentally wrong with what they are doing Its been like uhh 3 times in the past 6 seasons alone? Sure there was a point where we were terrible for while. But starting from 2006 until now we were competitive most every year outside of injury years to our QB. Edited June 4, 2021 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Matts4313 said: You mean a 25% discount tto his peers while being an all pro? That deal was praised heavily at the time. Maybe so, but I remember people were questioning why they did that deal before Dak’s. Couldn’t they have waited a year and then paid him the 25% more if he had proven he was capable of playing at that level 2 years in a row? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Dez dropped it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JohnChimpo said: Maybe so, but I remember people were questioning why they did that deal before Dak’s. Couldn’t they have waited a year and then paid him the 25% more if he had proven he was capable of playing at that level 2 years in a row? Nobody complained about Jaylon. He literally came to Jerry personally and said he loved the Cowboys so much he would take a hometown discount. People complained about paying Zeke 2 years early, making him the highest paid player at the least important position and all while Zeke was in the Bahamas "training" with Cris Carter or someone like that. Instead of Dak who was the more important player and was willing to take market rates. Edited June 4, 2021 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Nobody complained about Jaylon. He literally came to Jerry personally and said he loved the Cowboys so much he would take a hometown discount. People complained about paying Zeke 2 years early, making him the highest paid player at the least important position and all while Zeke was in the Bahamas "training" with Cris Carter or someone like that. Instead of Dak who was the more important player and was willing to take market rates. Yeah I don’t like Zeke’s contract either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 5 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Why does Jerry have the draft card in his hand in the first place? Read post by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 There are currently 32 teams in the league. If you win one Super Bowl every 32 years, you are doing what you should do. If you win more often than that, you have been over achieving. Less than one in the same time span means your team hasn't even been average. It doesn't always work this way though. For example, if you flip a coin, you don't get heads every other time. Sometimes you go for a streak of getting many tails in a row. The Cowboys may be in a streak of years that seems like a long time to us, but they are still averaging one championship every 10 years since 1971. That's pretty darn good. Even though it has been a while since the last one, they have been tremendously successful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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