RTTRUTH Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Danger said: Goedert > Ertz. Most Eagles fans feel this way as well as PFF. Goedert is the only dude who put up an 80 + Blocking and Receiving grade last year for them. Not saying he can't be. But 3 years in Goedert's best stat line is 607/5 TD's (never had 60 receptions). (Will be 26 all regular season) Ertz has put up 816 or more 5 of the last 6 years (75+ receptions same years). Had 6 or more TD's 3 of those seasons. (Will turn 31 middle of next season). I'm just saying you're all based on projection (and I guess PFF's opinion). Or you're weighting blocking grade higher than receiving grade. I'm saying Ertz has proven his value a long time. Has one down injury season and everyone forgets. After everyone quits drooling over the seemingly consensus top 3, I'm giving credit where credit is due with my 4th slot. Ertz's best days probably are behind him. But they were dam* impressive IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, RTTRUTH said: Not saying he can't be. But 3 years in Goedert's best stat line is 607/5 TD's (never had 60 receptions). (Will be 26 all regular season) Ertz has put up 816 or more 5 of the last 6 years (75+ receptions same years). Had 6 or more TD's 3 of those seasons. (Will turn 31 middle of next season). I'm just saying you're all based on projection (and I guess PFF's opinion). Or you're weighting blocking grade higher than receiving grade. I'm saying Ertz has proven his value a long time. Has one down injury season and everyone forgets. After everyone quits drooling over the seemingly consensus top 3, I'm giving credit where credit is due with my 4th slot. Ertz's best days probably are behind him. But they were dam* impressive IMO Goedert has been roadblocked by Ertz, sure his bulk receiving stats are better. But Ertz was, frankly, dreadful last year, along with most of the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Kelce Kittle Waller Hockenson Pitts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Danger said: Goedert has been roadblocked by Ertz, sure his bulk receiving stats are better. But Ertz was, frankly, dreadful last year, along with most of the rest of the team. I personally think we should be praising all-round TEs more than those who just do one thing really well. I prefer Goedert because his blocking is league-class and he also is a great option in the passing game. The mismatches that can create is usually key. Edited August 10, 2021 by Hunter2_1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: I personally think we should be praising all-round TEs more than those who just do one thing really well. I prefer Goedert because his blocking is league-class and he also is a great option in the passing game. The mismatches that can create is usually key. But he drops some easy passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, El Ramster said: But he drops some easy passes. Mark Andrews does this a TON and he's still considered a receiver-like tight end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 21 hours ago, El Ramster said: But he drops some easy passes. Even Kelce drops a few easy bawwwls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 10:17 AM, El Ramster said: But he drops some easy passes. So do most TEs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 On 8/11/2021 at 1:13 PM, Hunter2_1 said: Even Kelce drops a few easy bawwwls Good for a couple brutal ones each season, but is usually hella reliable. But yeah, point is, even the best have drops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Top 5 TE's in DVOA with a minimum of 50 targets in 2020: (1) Robert Tonyan (2) Travis Kelce (3) George Kittle (4) Tyler Higbee (5) Dallas Goedert HM: Jared Cook, Darren Waller, Mike Gesicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Top 5 TE's in DVOA with a minimum of 50 targets in 2020: (1) Robert Tonyan (2) Travis Kelce (3) George Kittle (4) Tyler Higbee (5) Dallas Goedert HM: Jared Cook, Darren Waller, Mike Gesicki DVOA is not a good stat for measuring individual performance. Team performance sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, Danger said: DVOA is not a good stat for measuring individual performance. Team performance sure. it's a great stat for measuring individual efficiency, just like team efficiency. It's a tool, a great one, when understanding what it means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: it's a great stat for measuring individual efficiency, just like team efficiency. It's a tool, a great one, when understanding what it means. It means you're a giant nerd 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Ton was excellent last season. Intrigued to see if he can stack another season like it. If so, he's in the top 5 discussion easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Ton was excellent last season. Intrigued to see if he can stack another season like it. If so, he's in the top 5 discussion easily he needs more targets to crack the top 5 I think. Might be tough with all the weapons on this team, however, and MLF's penchant for spreading the wealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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