Matts4313 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Rodgers is not stupid enough to give away $100+ million because he feels somehow "disrespected". He's a premier competitive athlete. Yet the Packers are stupid enough to waste away the biggest asset they currently have on their team? Again, if AR doesnt want to play with you guys, you really dont own all the cards. You have the opportunity to make yourselves look dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: So, Incognito, the irony here of you talking so much about the $30M Rodgers might have to pay back (it is might, by the way, it is up to arbitration, not actually guaranteed), is that's all based off of the Barry Sanders rule, where they ruled Sanders had to pay back the portion of the signing bonus after he retired unexpectedly. Everything you're saying Rodgers won't do, that no sensible person would, that it's just outlandish to even consider, is exactly what Barry Sanders did to create that rule in the first place. Sanders wanted to leave, was tired of the Lions FO, they didn't want to let him leave, he chose to retire and pay back millions rather than continue to deal with it. Sound familiar? Now, none of us know nearly enough about Rodgers to know if that's something he would be willing to do, but it is a possibility. He has a ring, he'll get a jacket, he has millions along with a marketable persona to carry into his post-NFL days. Maybe he'd be happier just not dealing with all of this. None of us honestly know. Not to mention, recent examples like Luck, the team didnt actually chargeback the signing bonus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: It's not the return that you handled incorrectly, it's that GB makes their QB's hate them for how they're treated. Like, how do you not see this? Favre literally retired and came out so he could play FOR THE VIKINGS.... Yeah, every other HOF QB that changed teams has nothing but love for their other team in the days and months after leaving lol EVERY player that gets replaced is butthurt. Now multiply that for elite alpha QBs. And then time hits them and they realize they were being jerks. Favre loves GB now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Matts4313 said: Not to mention, recent examples like Luck, the team didnt actually chargeback the signing bonus. Even as ugly as Calvin's departure was from the Lions, I want to say they only got like $1M of the possible $3.2M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, ET80 said: Not happy... but prepared to do so if it came to it, with a contingency plan to recoup that money elsewhere. Its not about the money. YES, he can make up for that with other ventures. IT is the principle have (potentially) having to do so. I just don't see Rodgers wanting that as the final act of his interactions with GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: So, Incognito, the irony here of you talking so much about the $30M Rodgers might have to pay back (it is might, by the way, it is up to arbitration, not actually guaranteed), is that's all based off of the Barry Sanders rule, where they ruled Sanders had to pay back the portion of the signing bonus after he retired unexpectedly. Everything you're saying Rodgers won't do, that no sensible person would, that it's just outlandish to even consider, is exactly what Barry Sanders did to create that rule in the first place. Sanders wanted to leave, was tired of the Lions FO, they didn't want to let him leave, he chose to retire and pay back millions rather than continue to deal with it. Sound familiar? Now, none of us know nearly enough about Rodgers to know if that's something he would be willing to do, but it is a possibility. He has a ring, he'll get a jacket, he has millions along with a marketable persona to carry into his post-NFL days. Maybe he'd be happier just not dealing with all of this. None of us honestly know. Yeah, but we will know soon enough. And I'm very confident he won't be retired a year from now. Want to make a bet on it? You name any terms you want. Let's find out how confident you are about this possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Yet the Packers are stupid enough to waste away the biggest asset they currently have on their team? What? They aren't and won't be doing that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, squire12 said: Its not about the money. YES, he can make up for that with other ventures. IT is the principle have (potentially) having to do so. I just don't see Rodgers wanting that as the final act of his interactions with GB. It's always about the money. Especially when it's literally hundreds of millions of potential lost money... There is absolutely no way Rodgers could recoup any significant fraction of lost NFL MVP money for half a decade. I definitely agree it's about more than JUST the money. But, by itself, that kind of money is all that matters for this "decision" he will make. He is not turning down that money. Edited June 9, 2021 by incognito_man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, squire12 said: IT is the principle have (potentially) having to do so I see this completely opposite - the principle of caving in to a FO he's as odds with is the worst thing he could do. But, that's something he'd have to answer. 7 minutes ago, squire12 said: I just don't see Rodgers wanting that as the final act of his interactions with GB. He watched his predecessor go and play for a division rival - that was eventually forgiven. Sure, it's a heel turn to GB, but the NFL is a big world - and two of his contemporaries in Manning and Brady are pretty much in the clear with Indianapolis and New England, even after winning SBs on other teams. Forgiveness is all but certain, it'll just take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Yeah, but we will know soon enough. And I'm very confident he won't be retired a year from now. Want to make a bet on it? You name any terms you want. Let's find out how confident you are about this possibility See, herein lies the big difference between you and me, that you seemed to miss from the multiple times I said it in the post you just quoted. I don't think any of us know nearly enough about Rodgers to say what will happen. That's why I repeatedly said, none of us know. You're confident you do know. That's what makes you wrong, here. Even if you wind up being correct, you're a fool for being as certain as you are about an outcome you know little about. It's the Colin Cowherd tactic to sports prediction. Predict everything insultingly confidently and then just remind people of the correct ones later. And I really just want to reiterate again the sheer ridiculousness of you saying "Let's find out how confident you are" in response to a post where I said literally two times "None of us know." It's like: Who's going to win MVP next year? Man, I don't know, that's tough. Lotta contenders there. Oh yeah? BET ON IT. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jakuvious said: See, herein lies the big difference between you and me, that you seemed to miss from the multiple times I said it in the post you just quoted. I don't think any of us know nearly enough about Rodgers to say what will happen. That's why I repeatedly said, none of us know. You're confident you do know. That's what makes you wrong, here. Even if you wind up being correct, you're a fool for being as certain as you are about an outcome you know little about. It's the Colin Cowherd tactic to sports prediction. Predict everything insultingly confidently and then just remind people of the correct ones later. And I really just want to reiterate again the sheer ridiculousness of you saying "Let's find out how confident you are" in response to a post where I said literally two times "None of us know." Lol Yeah every person who has ever made an educated guess on incomplete but significant information is a fool even if they end up being right. What nonsense. There is PLENTY of information available to all of us to very very VERY reasonably GUESS that Rodgers is not going to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Lol Yeah every person who has ever made an educated guess on incomplete but significant information is a fool even if they end up being right. What nonsense. There is PLENTY of information available to all of us to very very VERY reasonably GUESS that Rodgers is not going to retire. If you were making an informed, educated guess, and presenting that as a prediction, I doubt you'd see the backlash you're getting here. But that's not how you post. You KNOW what's going to happen. And anyone who suggests otherwise is met with "Lol"s, all caps absolutes about who holds the cards and leverages and what decisions people you've never met with make, and declarations that any suggestions counter to what you say are non-sense or from la la land. You speak purely in definitive absolutes. You think there's literally zero chance you could be wrong, and you argue according to that. That's the problem. This is like the difference between in 2019, when I thought the Chiefs had good odds to win the superbowl, and in 2019, when Kirill KNEW the Chiefs would win the superbowl and everyone who thought otherwise was a moron. One is a reasonable prediction, the other will be ridiculed whether they're right or wrong. It is your over-confidence that makes it impossible for anyone to accept your side in this. Because agreeing with you means believing that you know the future, and most are too smart for that. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, ET80 said: 32 minutes ago, squire12 said: IT is the principle have (potentially) having to do so I see this completely opposite - the principle of caving in to a FO he's as odds with is the worst thing he could do. But, that's something he'd have to answer. what is the scenario that would happen that has Rodgers not caving in to the GB FO? He plays on his current deal, he caved He retires and pays back part of his SB and roster bonus, he caved Rodgers already turned down a reported new deal Getting traded is about the only option where he has not caved. So GB would need to make that happen, but at a compensation package they feel is appropriate (and likely with a team they prefer) 25 minutes ago, ET80 said: 32 minutes ago, squire12 said: I just don't see Rodgers wanting that as the final act of his interactions with GB. He watched his predecessor go and play for a division rival - that was eventually forgiven. Sure, it's a heel turn to GB, but the NFL is a big world - and two of his contemporaries in Manning and Brady are pretty much in the clear with Indianapolis and New England, even after winning SBs on other teams. Forgiveness is all but certain, it'll just take time. Favre didn't have the issues with the FO that Rodgers supposedly does. Favre was the waffling on retirement. I don't think Manning or Brady had the issues with their respective FO that Rodgers does. I don't think the GB FO has any noted ill will toward Rodgers. So he likely would be "forgiven". how the fan base responds is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: See, herein lies the big difference between you and me, that you seemed to miss from the multiple times I said it in the post you just quoted. I don't think any of us know nearly enough about Rodgers to say what will happen. That's why I repeatedly said, none of us know. You're confident you do know. That's what makes you wrong, here. so someone is wrong here. Stated with a rather confident tone Quote Even if you wind up being correct, you're a fool for being as certain as you are about an outcome you know little about. It's the Colin Cowherd tactic to sports prediction. Predict everything insultingly confidently and then just remind people of the correct ones later. And I really just want to reiterate again the sheer ridiculousness of you saying "Let's find out how confident you are" in response to a post where I said literally two times "None of us know." yet none of us know. Speaking from both sides of the coin it appears Edited June 9, 2021 by squire12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, squire12 said: He retires and pays back part of his SB and roster bonus, he caved I don't see this as caving - it's a nuclear option, sure. But it's not caving to me. Maybe we're arguing semantics here, but caving only covers one scenario here - playing for Green Bay. 10 minutes ago, squire12 said: Favre didn't have the issues with the FO that Rodgers supposedly does. Favre was the waffling on retirement. But, he played for a division rival - he made it pretty clear he wanted to play for that rival, too (his trade to NYJ included a stipulation/poison pill to where NYJ would have to give up THREE FRPs if NYJ traded Favre to Min). https://bleacherreport.com/articles/45113-favre-traded-to-jets IMO - going to play for the other guys far outweighs any rift with an FO as a fan. In my own personal experience on this... I was Team Watson (prior to his legal issues) when he declared his intentions due to the Texans FO ...but that would quickly 180 if he wanted to be traded to Indianapolis. THAT'S more of a slap in the face to a fan. 16 minutes ago, squire12 said: I don't think Manning or Brady had the issues with their respective FO that Rodgers does. Manning, probably not - hard to hate that guy and even harder for him to hate anyone else. Brady? The entire narrative of his departure was due to issues with the FO (otherwise known as Bill Belicheck): https://clutchpoints.com/the-exact-moment-tom-brady-relationship-with-the-patriots-and-bill-belichick-went-bad/ Fans traditionally pick players over FOs, and that's for every sport. Nobody talks about Jerry Krause, they talk about Jordan. Nobody cares about Brian Cashman, Derek Jeter is the King of NY. You think KC fans would side with Brett Veach if there was beef between him and Pat Mahomes? Aaron Rodgers has the pelts on the wall. He's thrown the TDs, he's led the GW drives, he's the NFL MVP. That's going to hold up over time, moreso than a GM title (unless the GM builds up a sixpeat dynasty or something...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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