lancerman Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, biggbrd said: Player Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds PasY/G Y/A TD Int 1stD Sacks YdsL Fumb FumL Carson Wentz PHI 11 104.0 213 354 60.2 2,657 241.5 7.5 28 5 130 24 131 4 1 Tom Brady NE 11 111.7 279 408 68.4 3,374 306.7 8.3 26 3 167 24 144 6 2 Why on Earth does Wentz deserve it over Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, lancerman said: Why on Earth does Wentz deserve it over Brady Because his team is #1 in the league... /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggbrd Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 53 minutes ago, lancerman said: Why on Earth does Wentz deserve it over Brady As number of people have pointed out, he definitely benefits from the complete lack of expectations this season. Brady is expected to be good (though perhaps not this good at age 40!) year in and year out. Just gotta hope Brady keeps pilin' it on and makes it a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 58 minutes ago, biggbrd said: As number of people have pointed out, he definitely benefits from the complete lack of expectations this season. Brady is expected to be good (though perhaps not this good at age 40!) year in and year out. Just gotta hope Brady keeps pilin' it on and makes it a moot point. The easy answer is because Wentz has the most TD's and the best record in football. That's usually enough to get the MVP, even if Brady has more yards and better completion %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeezla said: The easy answer is because Wentz has the most TD's and the best record in football. That's usually enough to get the MVP, even if Brady has more yards and better completion %. Not really.... Usually it's either someone who broke a record who happens to be on a playoff team or the player on a top tier playoff team with the best stats overall. Having two more TD's and one less win while trailing in every other category in some cases by a significant margin while overall having better defensive and run game ratings isn't going to get the MVP. Brady already missed out on two the last two years with the excuse being "well Cam was going for undefeated, and Ryan was leading an extremely efficient offense despite his team's record". Wentz isn't doing anything historic, he's not leading in nearly every stat except by two TD's, he's not carrying his team on his back, he's literally just the 2nd best QB right now (probably). The only reason to give it to him is that he's a fresh face. He would not deserve the MVP if he won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Carson Wentz probably could throw for 300 yards a game, but he hasn't needed to, He's usually out of the game in the 4th quarter or just handing it off because the game is usually well in hand, meanwhile the Patriots have had a putrid defense much of the season. Brady has a better YPA, so yes he still does edge out Wentz, but not to the degree you make it out to be. Brady has 43 snaps more on field. 31 Philadelphia 52.32% 14 New England 58.55% Percent of team plays that are passing plays. Team Game Time (tied) Game Time (leading) Game Time (trailing) PHI 12:04 (20) 40:31 (1) 7:26 (1) NE 10:31 (26) 39:33 (2) 9:56 (2) Eagles generally don't need to pass more towards the end of the game so they don't. The average point differential for them per game is the highest in the league at +14.5 PPG, The Patriots are at +9.5 PPG. I'm still giving Brady the award, personally, but it would be much closer if Carson had to go all out the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, lancerman said: Not really.... Usually it's either someone who broke a record who happens to be on a playoff team or the player on a top tier playoff team with the best stats overall. Having two more TD's and one less win while trailing in every other category in some cases by a significant margin while overall having better defensive and run game ratings isn't going to get the MVP. Brady already missed out on two the last two years with the excuse being "well Cam was going for undefeated, and Ryan was leading an extremely efficient offense despite his team's record". Wentz isn't doing anything historic, he's not leading in nearly every stat except by two TD's, he's not carrying his team on his back, he's literally just the 2nd best QB right now (probably). The only reason to give it to him is that he's a fresh face. He would not deserve the MVP if he won it. If you don't think Wentz is carrying this team on his back, you are an idiot. I don't care if our RB's go off for 400 yards. They aren't doing that with Nick Foles under center. Every game Wentz makes multiple "magician" plays. We would suck without him no matter how talented you think the rest of our roster is. Wentz makes everyone around him better, and our record/team wouldn't be any better with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Wentz is what makes this whole thing work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Jeezla said: If you don't think Wentz is carrying this team on his back, you are an idiot. I don't care if our RB's go off for 400 yards. They aren't doing that with Nick Foles under center. Not to the extent Brady is. Brady has a defense that has been doing well lately in points but absolutely hemorages yards and is currently 30th in yards, 31 in passing yards, and 23 in rushing yards. While Wentz is on a team that is 3rd in ppg, top 10 in yards overall at 7, 16 in passing yards, and leads the league in rushing yards. Meanwhile Wentz team is 2nd in rushing yards (Brady's is 13th). The only stat New England is dominant is passing yards largely because of Brady. Wentz is getting significantly more defensive help and help from his running game than Brady. Meanwhile Brady's offensive line has been shredded to hell again and he's taking more sacks than he's had in years. His top WR over the last 3 years is out for the season. Yet somehow he is first in completions (Wentz is 13th), is 3rd in percentage at 68.3% (Wentz is 29th), is 1st in yards with over 300 yards more than 2nd place (while Wentz is 11th with almost 600 yards less than him), is 2nd in yards per attempt behind a QB who has been placed on IR, is 2nd in TD's behind Went who only has two more than him, is ranked 37th in INT and is among the lowest of active starters who played every game this season (if not the lowest) and is dominating the league in passer rating at 111 (Wentz is 4th with 104). And in Brady's only two losses his defense was ranked 32nd in the league and on pace to be one of the worst defenses ever. Brady's playing better, he's producing more, he's more efficient, he's getting less help from his defense and running game. There really is no argument for Wentz besides "well he's new". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, lancerman said: Meanwhile Wentz team is 2nd in rushing yards (Brady's is 13th). Edit: Misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Danger said: Just want to put a small caveat on that. Brady has a mere 22 yards, Carson has 252. It's not as close as you made it out to be here, but... as you were. I was talking team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There are four main stats I look at when judging a QB's level of play. TD%, INT%, YPA, and Passer Rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 wentz and brady.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, lancerman said: I was talking team Yeah I saw after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, lancerman said: Not to the extent Brady is. Brady has a defense that has been doing well lately in points but absolutely hemorages yards and is currently 30th in yards, 31 in passing yards, and 23 in rushing yards. While Wentz is on a team that is 3rd in ppg, top 10 in yards overall at 7, 16 in passing yards, and leads the league in rushing yards. Meanwhile Wentz team is 2nd in rushing yards (Brady's is 13th). The only stat New England is dominant is passing yards largely because of Brady. Wentz is getting significantly more defensive help and help from his running game than Brady. Meanwhile Brady's offensive line has been shredded to hell again and he's taking more sacks than he's had in years. His top WR over the last 3 years is out for the season. Yet somehow he is first in completions (Wentz is 13th), is 3rd in percentage at 68.3% (Wentz is 29th), is 1st in yards with over 300 yards more than 2nd place (while Wentz is 11th with almost 600 yards less than him), is 2nd in yards per attempt behind a QB who has been placed on IR, is 2nd in TD's behind Went who only has two more than him, is ranked 37th in INT and is among the lowest of active starters who played every game this season (if not the lowest) and is dominating the league in passer rating at 111 (Wentz is 4th with 104). And in Brady's only two losses his defense was ranked 32nd in the league and on pace to be one of the worst defenses ever. Brady's playing better, he's producing more, he's more efficient, he's getting less help from his defense and running game. There really is no argument for Wentz besides "well he's new". Of course Brady's completion % is better. His WR's get open more often and more quickly than ours do. Even Jimmy G was able to complete 68% of his passes in that O. Do you think Brady would have the same stats running the Eagles O? I sure as hell don't. He'd be getting sacked left and right before our WR's could finish their double moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Danger said: There are four main stats I look at when judging a QB's level of play. TD%, INT%, YPA, and Passer Rating. TD% - Carson (1) - Brady (2) INT% - Brady (1) - Carson (6) YPA - Brady (1) - Carson (9) Passer Rating - Brady (1) - Carson (4) Pretty remarkable given Carson is just a 2nd year player, but that said, Brady still has the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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