game3525 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 15 hours ago, bucsfan333 said: How far has Rivers climbed the MVP list? He's been ballin' lately. He shouldn't be on anyone's list. I love Rivers as much as any Chargers fan, but the first half of the season still counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 22 minutes ago, 808 said: Brown absolutely deserves credit and to be in the discussion. Problem is, would the MVP voters ever take position bias out of the equation? Nope. MVP has become the "best QB" award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 To my knowledge, Bovada and other Vegas sports books do not have any rooting interest in who wins these awards. FWIW, they have Brees and Wilson at a current tie for 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, 808 said: To my knowledge, Bovada and other Vegas sports books do not have any rooting interest in who wins these awards. FWIW, they have Brees and Wilson at a current tie for 3rd. Brees tied with Wilson for 3rd? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, Darth Pees said: Brees tied with Wilson for 3rd? Wow. For entertainment purposes only: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iothar Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, 808 said: To my knowledge, Bovada and other Vegas sports books do not have any rooting interest in who wins these awards. FWIW, they have Brees and Wilson at a current tie for 3rd. Why would they have any interest in whoever wins anything? They move the lines based on fan voting, not knowledge. Initial odds are set based on expert opinion, then fan voting moves the lines so that even money is presented on both sides. Vegas wants even money on both sides for every contest and they just collect the entry fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 4 hours ago, 808 said: Someone currently in the national media doesn't represent the opinion of the national media? Got it. Just giving an example of how the Eagles are viewed by some, doesn't matter if everyone hates Wright. But while we're at it, "stay in your lane." If you choose to take one moron’s take as disrespect to your team, then power to you. Im not going to come out and say “there are media member talking about how this is the end of Brady” because Max freaking Kellerman says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: Nick Wright purposefully trolls for clicks and headlines. He's a sports commentator entertainer, not a serious sports journalist IMO. He's the same guy who says Lebron is better than Jordan. I wouldn't pay any mind to that kind of idiocy. Eagles are the best team in the NFL right now IMO. Maybe you could argue a couple teams (namely Patriots maybe Steelers/Rams/Vikings), but even in the worst case scenario the Eagles are fifth. I agree with a lot of what you said about Nick Wright, but this is actually a valid take nowadays given LeBron's resume across multiple teams and how he's transformed them. Sometimes Wright makes good points, but he varies between making good points and then going full Skip Bayless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 You want any more proof that QBR is a load of bologna? Carson Wentz's is higher than Tom Brady. CASE KEENUM IS HIGHER THAN BOTH OF THEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Case Keenum..for MVP? No. Just no. He was great in November but that's it. Maybe that continues, or maybe he's benched for Teddy Bridgewater, but his name should be nowhere near the MVP race, even for entertainment purposes only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Danger said: You want any more proof that QBR is a load of bologna? Carson Wentz's is higher than Tom Brady. CASE KEENUM IS HIGHER THAN BOTH OF THEM. That's because Case Keenum is better than both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chargerbuckeye Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Antonio Brown is Rising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 46 minutes ago, chargerbuckeye said: Antonio Brown is Rising I think the following need to happen for a WR to win MVP: - Record breaking season in something along the lines of catches, yards, or TDs. - Winning games and being the main reason why. - Playing with so-so QB play and non-elite offensive talent. - A down year for quarterbacking in the NFL. Don’t really see it, not this season anyway. Some of those boxes get checked off, but definitely not the last and debatably, most important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said: I think the following need to happen for a WR to win MVP: - Record breaking season in something along the lines of catches, yards, or TDs. - Winning games and being the main reason why. - Playing with so-so QB play and non-elite offensive talent. - A down year for quarterbacking in the NFL. Don’t really see it, not this season anyway. Some of those boxes get checked off, but definitely not the last and debatably, most important. And I think for AB, his MVP chances get significantly hurt because he's playing with a top-5 RB and top-5(?) QB. You can't reasonably make the case for Most Valuable Player when you're surrounded by those people. Offensive Player of The Year? Certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Darth Pees said: And I think for AB, his MVP chances get significantly hurt because he's playing with a top-5 RB and top-5(?) QB. You can't reasonably make the case for Most Valuable Player when you're surrounded by those people. Offensive Player of The Year? Certainly. I agree, except for the part about Ben. He’s pretty clearly not been a top 5 QB this season, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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