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mission27

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Today's game showed why the award needs to go to a QB.  QBs just mean more.  There are so few good QBs let alone great QBs and they impact so many plays.  There are a bunch of good WR/RB in the league and you can win a game without your best WR/RB.  Antonio Brown is a great player but the Steelers lost him and were still able to keep it close and almost beat one of the best teams in football.  If either the Patriots or Steelers had lost Brady or Big Ben, the game would have been a blowout by several touchdowns. Brady, Ben, Brees, Keenum should all be candidates over Gurley or Brown tbh.

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Just now, mission27 said:

Today's game showed why the award needs to go to a QB.  QBs just mean more.  There are so few good QBs let alone great QBs and they impact so many plays.  There are a bunch of good WR/RB in the league and you can win a game without your best WR/RB.  Antonio Brown is a great player but the Steelers lost him and were still able to keep it close and almost beat one of the best teams in football.  If either the Patriots or Steelers had lost Brady or Big Ben, the game would have been a blowout by several touchdowns. Brady, Ben, Brees, Keenum should all be candidates over Gurley or Brown tbh.

And honestly probably Wilson, Stafford, and Alex Smith.  They probably wont be in the conversation because their teams didn't win enough games but still.

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2 minutes ago, mission27 said:

Today's game showed why the award needs to go to a QB.  QBs just mean more.  There are so few good QBs let alone great QBs and they impact so many plays.  There are a bunch of good WR/RB in the league and you can win a game without your best WR/RB.  Antonio Brown is a great player but the Steelers lost him and were still able to keep it close and almost beat one of the best teams in football.  If either the Patriots or Steelers had lost Brady or Big Ben, the game would have been a blowout by several touchdowns. Brady, Ben, Brees, Keenum should all be candidates over Gurley or Brown tbh.

... but the Steelers lost? And the Eagles put up 34 without their MVP frontrunner QB.

Not disagreeing with your overall point, but seems a weird example to lose. Antionio Brown is a game changer like the Pats needed in Gronk to win.

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Just now, wackywabbit said:

... but the Steelers lost? And the Eagles put up 34 without their MVP frontrunner QB.

Not disagreeing with your overall point, but seems a weird example to lose.

Yeah but the Steelers were able to hang with arguable the best team in football, and almost win, despite losing Brown.  If they'd lost Ben in the second quarter do you honestly think the Pats don't win by a couple touchdowns?  

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1 minute ago, mission27 said:

Yeah but the Steelers were able to hang with arguable the best team in football, and almost win, despite losing Brown.  If they'd lost Ben in the second quarter do you honestly think the Pats don't win by a couple touchdowns?  

Didn't see most of the game, TBH. But I think the Ravens would have beaten the Steelers by a couple touchdowns last week if Brown went out that early.

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3 minutes ago, wackywabbit said:

Didn't see most of the game, TBH. But I think the Ravens would have beaten the Steelers by a couple touchdowns last week if Brown went out that early.

I guess its hard to say in isolation.  The defense played so poorly that game that you are probably right.  But without Brown the Steelers were able to maintain a balanced offense, hard to imagine they could've done the same without Ben.

Not a perfect comp because the Patriots defense was better last year, but the Steelers passing game had a 111 passer rating today with Ben but without Brown vs. 77 passer rating last year with Brown but without Ben against the Pats.

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36 minutes ago, Jetzger said:

This year is so weak.  Nobody stands out anymore.

Except Tom Brady who stood out from everyone pretty much all year. I find it funny that this MVP basically came down to Brady having a couple of mediocre weeks while everything else imploded to secure it because of some supposed voter fatigue. 

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Just now, lancerman said:

Except Tom Brady who stood out from everyone pretty much all year. I find it funny that this MVP basically came down to Brady having a couple of mediocre weeks while everything else imploded to secure it because of some supposed voter fatigue. 

Are these last couple of weeks not included in "all year"?  His statistical advantage has evaporated, and New England's offense is falling back toward the pack.  He's still the MVP, but it's a weak one.

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8 minutes ago, lancerman said:

Except Tom Brady who stood out from everyone pretty much all year. I find it funny that this MVP basically came down to Brady having a couple of mediocre weeks while everything else imploded to secure it because of some supposed voter fatigue. 

He definitely did not stand out from Wentz, and though to many, including myself, he lead Wentz for the past several weeks, that was primarily because of his stats... which were so nice due to his consistency. If Wentz was still healthy, it would very much be as tight a race as ever between the two. 

 

Went hurt, Wilson has finally run out of magic, AB hurt, but Brady not capitalizing on any of this makes it a pretty lackluster race for sure, but its' still Brady's award to lose. I don't really see any competition anymore.

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Just now, Jetzger said:

Are these last couple of weeks not included in "all year"?  His statistical advantage has evaporated, and New England's offense is falling back toward the pack.  He's still the MVP, but it's a weak one.

I mean put it this way the top 5 should have been Brady, Wentz, Wilson, Brown, and Smith. Smith fell off early. Wentz/Wilson/Brown all pretty much saw their chances move away. Brady leads the league in completions, the only guys close to him aren't in the MVP race and haven't been all season. Brady's top 3 in percentage, nobody else in the top 10 is even close to being the MVP,  Brady's 2nd in yards and you have to go down to Wilson at number 7 to find someone who is close to him in the MVP race. He's top 4 in Y/A, nobody in the top 10 is in the MVP race. He's 3 in TD's, only Wentz and Wilson are ahead of him. Both got knocked out of the MVP race and the reality is by the end of the season it's probably going a 1 or 2 TD difference between them while Brady still has less interceptions. Brady is top 2 in Passer Rating where only Alex Smith leads him by point 2. Basically in every major stat Brady is in the top 4. He's the QB with best combination of bulk stats and efficiency at a very high level is the only QB where all his stats are at an elite level while simultaneously being tied for the best record in his conference and being in the driver seat for the number 1 seed. 

If there was a RB or WR out there who was carrying his team and doing something historic maybe their would be a case. But there really isn't. So it's going to a QB and Brady is clearly the head and shoulders favorite right now. 

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