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3 minutes ago, wackywabbit said:

Didn't see most of the game, TBH. But I think the Ravens would have beaten the Steelers by a couple touchdowns last week if Brown went out that early.

I guess its hard to say in isolation.  The defense played so poorly that game that you are probably right.  But without Brown the Steelers were able to maintain a balanced offense, hard to imagine they could've done the same without Ben.

Not a perfect comp because the Patriots defense was better last year, but the Steelers passing game had a 111 passer rating today with Ben but without Brown vs. 77 passer rating last year with Brown but without Ben against the Pats.

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36 minutes ago, Jetzger said:

This year is so weak.  Nobody stands out anymore.

Except Tom Brady who stood out from everyone pretty much all year. I find it funny that this MVP basically came down to Brady having a couple of mediocre weeks while everything else imploded to secure it because of some supposed voter fatigue. 

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Just now, lancerman said:

Except Tom Brady who stood out from everyone pretty much all year. I find it funny that this MVP basically came down to Brady having a couple of mediocre weeks while everything else imploded to secure it because of some supposed voter fatigue. 

Are these last couple of weeks not included in "all year"?  His statistical advantage has evaporated, and New England's offense is falling back toward the pack.  He's still the MVP, but it's a weak one.

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8 minutes ago, lancerman said:

Except Tom Brady who stood out from everyone pretty much all year. I find it funny that this MVP basically came down to Brady having a couple of mediocre weeks while everything else imploded to secure it because of some supposed voter fatigue. 

He definitely did not stand out from Wentz, and though to many, including myself, he lead Wentz for the past several weeks, that was primarily because of his stats... which were so nice due to his consistency. If Wentz was still healthy, it would very much be as tight a race as ever between the two. 

 

Went hurt, Wilson has finally run out of magic, AB hurt, but Brady not capitalizing on any of this makes it a pretty lackluster race for sure, but its' still Brady's award to lose. I don't really see any competition anymore.

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Just now, Jetzger said:

Are these last couple of weeks not included in "all year"?  His statistical advantage has evaporated, and New England's offense is falling back toward the pack.  He's still the MVP, but it's a weak one.

I mean put it this way the top 5 should have been Brady, Wentz, Wilson, Brown, and Smith. Smith fell off early. Wentz/Wilson/Brown all pretty much saw their chances move away. Brady leads the league in completions, the only guys close to him aren't in the MVP race and haven't been all season. Brady's top 3 in percentage, nobody else in the top 10 is even close to being the MVP,  Brady's 2nd in yards and you have to go down to Wilson at number 7 to find someone who is close to him in the MVP race. He's top 4 in Y/A, nobody in the top 10 is in the MVP race. He's 3 in TD's, only Wentz and Wilson are ahead of him. Both got knocked out of the MVP race and the reality is by the end of the season it's probably going a 1 or 2 TD difference between them while Brady still has less interceptions. Brady is top 2 in Passer Rating where only Alex Smith leads him by point 2. Basically in every major stat Brady is in the top 4. He's the QB with best combination of bulk stats and efficiency at a very high level is the only QB where all his stats are at an elite level while simultaneously being tied for the best record in his conference and being in the driver seat for the number 1 seed. 

If there was a RB or WR out there who was carrying his team and doing something historic maybe their would be a case. But there really isn't. So it's going to a QB and Brady is clearly the head and shoulders favorite right now. 

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2 hours ago, Jetzger said:

Are these last couple of weeks not included in "all year"?  His statistical advantage has evaporated, and New England's offense is falling back toward the pack.  He's still the MVP, but it's a weak one.

He's still top 3 in every passing category and only 0.2 behind Smith in QBR.  They also have the #1 seed in the conference and multiple game winning td drives.

He's by far the MVP right now.  People are just falling in to recency bias.  He's carried this Patriots team and has been playing with an achilles injury the past couple weeks.

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2 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

He definitely did not stand out from Wentz, and though to many, including myself, he lead Wentz for the past several weeks, that was primarily because of his stats... which were so nice due to his consistency. If Wentz was still healthy, it would very much be as tight a race as ever between the two. 

 

Went hurt, Wilson has finally run out of magic, AB hurt, but Brady not capitalizing on any of this makes it a pretty lackluster race for sure, but its' still Brady's award to lose. I don't really see any competition anymore.

That is nonsense revisionist history that is just wrong.  Brady was comfortably ahead of Wentz.  The only thing Wentz had going for him was a better record and at the time Brady had caught up.  Brady was better than Wentz in yards, yards per attempt, int%, TD:INT ratio, while all playing with a worse OL, worse running game, and worse defense.  It was not a close race.  If Wentz were still playing now he'd likely be ahead of Brady but before Wentz got hurt Brady was in front of Wentz and it's ridiculous to suggest he wasn't.

 

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1 hour ago, tonyto36 said:

 

That is nonsense revisionist history that is just wrong.  Brady was comfortably ahead of Wentz.  The only thing Wentz had going for him was a better record and at the time Brady had caught up.  Brady was better than Wentz in yards, yards per attempt, int%, TD:INT ratio, while all playing with a worse OL, worse running game, and worse defense.  It was not a close race.  If Wentz were still playing now he'd likely be ahead of Brady but before Wentz got hurt Brady was in front of Wentz and it's ridiculous to suggest he wasn't.

 

Calm down buddy. Where did I say he wasn't in the lead? Perhaps there is something lost in translation here. I took "stand out" as meaning clearly above the pack, a one man race, etc. To me, Brady and Wentz stood out from the rest of the pack, as in, it was a 2 man race at that point, you could even throw Wilson in there, but a race to be certain. Point being, it was no means locked up or some huge gap like the OP to my response was suggesting, as it was basically a week to week battle (look no further than the fact that Wentz would have jumped Brady that very week for many if not for the fact that it was known he would be out for the year, as Brady had his worst game and Wentz had one of his best). To suggest otherwise is nonsense revisionist history that is just wrong.

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5 hours ago, DirtyDez said:

Had that TD counted and Ben padded his stats the last two weeks would he have had a shot?

Was thinking this. Ben would absolutely be up there, and still might. Second half of this season has been amazing quaterbacking 

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