SkippyX Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Brown is in Tampa because Brady and his ultimate leadership, compassion, and understanding is the only person who can get him to act like a human being. But maybe Brown is just misunderstood because Ben is also the real bad guy just like Tomlin, and Mayock, and Gruden, and the Rooney family, and reporters, and ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, AngusMcFife said: That's not how I remember the story in Pittsburgh. Your memory is... off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, iknowcool said: Shortly after? He spent a year with the Jets and then got cut after a couple of games the following season. By the time he signed with the Chiefs, he was over 2 seasons removed from his last year with the Pittsburgh. I agree he lost a step but it's revisionist history to act like he wasn't a top-flight back in his prime. He signed with the Chiefs shortly after his stint with the Jets was over. He was great in his prime, never disputed that. I disputed the claim that he was bad because he signed with the Jets. It wasn't because of the Jets because he was just as bad maybe worse on the Chiefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 News flash....guys who sustain too many hits to the head, can exhibit odd behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, samsel23 said: Reid has a long history of taking in players that have had troubled pasts. It's a very long list. He has helped a ton move past those issues, and some he was not able to help. I would flip to say this is a positive on his integrity.... He doesn't win them all, but I would actually say dismissing him for attempting to help all these players is worse integrity. Is he taking in these players because he wants to help them, or is he taking them in because he thinks they can help him? There's a fine line between selfless and selfish. Does he take in and mentor troubled players who are at the bottom of the roster, or just the talented ones? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, SkippyX said: Brown is in Tampa because Brady and his ultimate leadership, compassion, and understanding is the only person who can get him to act like a human being. But maybe Brown is just misunderstood because Ben is also the real bad guy just like Tomlin, and Mayock, and Gruden, and the Rooney family, and reporters, and ... Brown is crazy and Ben is a douchebag. Both can be true. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, AngusMcFife said: Is he taking in these players because he wants to help them, or is he taking them in because he thinks they can help him? There's a fine line between selfless and selfish. Does he take in and mentor troubled players who are at the bottom of the roster, or just the talented ones? I would hope everyone in the NFL is taking players they think can help them win? Is he suppose to keep a troubled guy, over a less troubled guy if he doesn’t think he’s one of the top 53? Mike Vick was signed as a backup, when not many were keen on giving him a chance. David Irving actually starting his career with KC before getting cut. Obviously he is not going to go with a guy if he doesn’t think he’s the top 53, but he’s given chances at the bottom also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlenlyKenny Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He's very quickly turning into a head case around the league. I see why teams are moving him without a second thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Bell could have signed with us instead of the Jets and had some nice years. He could have signed with the Dolphins and got more carries. He made his bed and now he has to sleep in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Bell could have signed with us instead of the Jets and had some nice years. He could have signed with the Dolphins and got more carries. He made his bed and now he has to sleep in it. He would have sucked wherever he went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 59 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: He would have sucked wherever he went. Nah Bell is a great fit for Gruden's offense. He just went for the $ instead when Gase didn't even want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 This is totally overblown. He wants to play and Reid didn't play him. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/13/leveon-bell-i-have-a-right-to-how-i-feel-about-andy-reid-because-of-what-he-said-to-me/ If I had to guess, (which is what everyone here is doing, after all) Andy Reid probably told Bell that he wasn't starter material. Probably said he was washed up. Probably gave him a little smack too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKSteeler Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 16 hours ago, SkippyX said: That's not how I remember the story in Pittsburgh. The team had issues because Pitt gave all the power and money to Big Ben, who is a terrible leader because he's lazy, stupid, and treats people poorly. That caused problems because Bell and Antonio Brown, who were better players than Ben, were subordinated to a douchebag and weren't compensated fairly. The idea that Bell was a problem in Pitt is not accurate. Pitt messed up by giving a poor leader too much power, and their offense has gone downhill since Bell and Brown left. Their run game started sucking when Bell left, and the pass game started sucking once Brown left. I don't blame Bell at all for wanting to leave that mess. Who would want to take handoffs from an entitled moron like Ben? i'm not going to defend Roethlisberger here because this barely deserves a response, but the notion that Brown/Bell weren't compensated is the dumbest single aspect of this post. Brown was made the highest paid WR in the league. They rewarded him multiple times with lucrative contracts that he had no problem signing. Nothing that happened with Brown was related to his compensation. The Steelers offered to make Leveon Bell the highest paid RB in the league. They offered more money than the NYJ's did per year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 12 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Nah Bell is a great fit for Gruden's offense. He just went for the $ instead when Gase didn't even want him. In his prime yes but he has zero burst left and can’t move like he used to. It would be a huge Gruden move to sign him thinking he’ll regain some of that Pittsburgh form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 9 hours ago, CKSteeler said: i'm not going to defend Roethlisberger here because this barely deserves a response, but the notion that Brown/Bell weren't compensated is the dumbest single aspect of this post. Brown was made the highest paid WR in the league. They rewarded him multiple times with lucrative contracts that he had no problem signing. Nothing that happened with Brown was related to his compensation. The Steelers offered to make Leveon Bell the highest paid RB in the league. They offered more money than the NYJ's did per year. Yes Brown was unhappy with Ben and Bell didn't think he was being compensated fairly. Just because you think it was a fair offer to Bell doesn't mean he thought it was as well. Per year averages are a joke, it's all about guaranteed money. And Brown immediately received a new contract with the Raiders, so it's obvious he wasn't happy with his contract either. But his beef was mostly with Big Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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