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Ben Simmons officially asks to be traded


Should they trade Ben Simmons  

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7 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Ben was +4 in the Game 1 loss, they lost by 4 points.  He was +7 in the game 5 loss, they lost by 3.  I don't think the "liability" is what caused them to lose. 

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Perimeter defense is becoming vastly overrated. You can be the literal GOAT perimeter defender but you’re still a good screen away from being removed from where your impact will be most felt. In today’s NBA you are going to have to switch most of the time when everyone on the floor can shoot.
 

Simmons may be the best damn perimeter defender in the game, but you’re not a max caliber player in the NBA if you cannot score in the half court. Simple as that. Of course he’s an asset to any team as a player, but as a core piece on a max deal?…. Not so sure. Takes a very specific fit.

 

Defense is a team effort, you’ll only be as strong as your weakest link. You cannot take over on D like you can on O. Rudy Gobert is unquestionably the most impactful defender in basketball, but I don’t think anybody would call him a star or be happy to build around him because A) if you don’t have a great center, just go small and pull him out of paint, problem solved or B) if you have a great center, he’ll have no problem carving Rudy up (see: Jokic, Embiid) because elite offense beats elite defense at this level.

 

 

Sorry for the rant, just so tired of the “but his defense!!” Yes he’s an elite defender. No that does not cover for averaging 9.9 points in the ECSF, nor having the skills to take over or close. 

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18 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Give Ben some bench help like that and he is in the ECF too in a better matchup against the Bucks than ATL was. 

The Bucks were an easier matchup for Philadelphia then the Hawks?

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1 minute ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

Defense is a team effort, you’ll only be as strong as your weakest link. You cannot take over on D like you can on O. Rudy Gobert is unquestionably the most impactful defender in basketball, but I don’t think anybody would call him a star or be happy to build around him because A) if you don’t have a great center, just go small and pull him out of paint, problem solved or B) if you have a great center, he’ll have no problem carving Rudy up (see: Jokic, Embiid) because elite offense beats elite defense at this level.

And Rudy's defensive impact as been the root of the Jazz's meltdowns the last two years in the playoffs. Because we were so dependent on him being able to defend the rim that when teams took him away from the paint on defense we got fried. 

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2 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

Simmons may be the best damn perimeter defender in the game, but you’re not a max caliber player in the NBA if you cannot score in the half court. Simple as that. Of course he’s an asset to any team as a player, but as a core piece on a max deal?…. Not so sure. Takes a very specific fit.

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18 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

And the evidence is the other 600 games Ben has played where he has shot the ball.  Yet you take 2/3 games of not shooting, but still having double digit assists, and positive net impact with his defense and say he is a liability.  A liability is someone who doesnt shoot and doesnt provide anything on the other end.  Ben more than makes up for his deficiencies on the other end. 

I'm not talking about the dunk. I'm talking about jump shooting. And we have 600 games of evidence saying he won't shoot the ball past a few feet. In the playoffs it's something that can't be overcome. He's a liability.

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The fact that the Kings said they wouldn't give up Haliburton for Simmons says a lot about how other teams value him. I'd ask the Kings for a deal like this: 

Kings receive: Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey, Seth Curry

76ers receive: Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Davion Mitchell, 2022 1st (unprotected), 2022 1st (top 5 protected)

Or ask Toronto for a deal like this: 

Raptors receive: Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey

76ers receive: Fred VanVleet, OG Anunoby, 2022 1st (unprotected)

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