Ben Simmons officially asks to be traded

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, seminoles1 said:

This is the best trade. I hope something like this happens. It's fair for both teams.

Based on all of the recent information that has come out it seems like he's going to end up in Houston.

[MikeT14]

I put something into the trade machine. I'm sure it isn't enough, but maybe a jumping off point?

Wizards get: Simmons

Philly gets: KCP, Rui Hachimura, Montrezl Harrell, 2 firsts (2022 and then TBD because of a prior trade), a 2nd. 

Harrell could be swapped for Bryant. Rui for Deni. Etc. 

[Texansfan713]

11 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Based on all of the recent information that has come out it seems like he's going to end up in Houston.

please no

[Texansfan713]

14 hours ago, NYRaider said:

@Texansfan713 let's go

i posted that 2 days ago.  i would be sick if we got simmons. 

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, Texansfan713 said:

please no

You get Ben Simmons a 25 year old All-Star AND get to dump John Wall's horrific contract? 

[Texansfan713]

3 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

You get Ben Simmons a 25 year old All-Star AND get to dump John Wall's horrific contract? 

rockets would get a 25 year old who is unplayable in the playoffs and take on his contract that has 2 MORE years than John Wall's contract does.  Not to mention the picks we would give up. 

[NYRaider]

2 minutes ago, Texansfan713 said:

rockets would get a 25 year old who is unplayable in the playoffs and take on his contract that has 2 MORE years than John Wall's contract does.  Not to mention the picks we would give up. 

The Rockets aren't making the playoffs anytime soon and Ben Simmons was 1 game away from the conference finals last season after shutting down the Brodie in round 1.

[Texansfan713]

the goal for the rockets is to get another top 5 pick this upcoming season while they have their own first rounder.  Getting Simmons would prevent that from happening. 

[Sllim Pickens]

1 hour ago, Texansfan713 said:

the goal for the rockets is to get another top 5 pick this upcoming season while they have their own first rounder.  Getting Simmons would prevent that from happening. 

With the rest of your roster, I am not sure Ben alone would take you out of contention for a top pick.  Unless Green is an All Star out of the gate in which you likely wouldn't be a top 5 pick anyways.  Especially if KPJ is in the deal as well.  I do think Ben give you that second star to go with Green once he does develop and is a good fit on the court with him.  If you get another top 5 pick, that would be a very good big 3.  Ben is not unplayable in the playoffs, he had a few bad games.  He will be fine, and if utilized correctly, is a huge asset to any team.  He is still a top 15-20 player in the league with his shooting deficiencies. He is what you would hope to get with that top 5 pick. 

[NYRaider]

5 hours ago, Texansfan713 said:

the goal for the rockets is to get another top 5 pick this upcoming season while they have their own first rounder.  Getting Simmons would prevent that from happening. 

4 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

With the rest of your roster, I am not sure Ben alone would take you out of contention for a top pick.  Unless Green is an All Star out of the gate in which you likely wouldn't be a top 5 pick anyways.  Especially if KPJ is in the deal as well.  I do think Ben give you that second star to go with Green once he does develop and is a good fit on the court with him.  If you get another top 5 pick, that would be a very good big 3.  Ben is not unplayable in the playoffs, he had a few bad games.  He will be fine, and if utilized correctly, is a huge asset to any team.  He is still a top 15-20 player in the league with his shooting deficiencies. He is what you would hope to get with that top 5 pick. 

Typically teams don't get back to back early picks because if they do it means the guy they drafted the year earlier isn't very good. If Jalen Green is what you expect him to be, Houston should win games. If you're in the bottom 5 again with him, Woods, KPJ and all of the other young players on the roster, they probably stink.

 

[Texansfan713]

20 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

With the rest of your roster, I am not sure Ben alone would take you out of contention for a top pick.  Unless Green is an All Star out of the gate in which you likely wouldn't be a top 5 pick anyways.  Especially if KPJ is in the deal as well.  I do think Ben give you that second star to go with Green once he does develop and is a good fit on the court with him.  If you get another top 5 pick, that would be a very good big 3.  Ben is not unplayable in the playoffs, he had a few bad games.  He will be fine, and if utilized correctly, is a huge asset to any team.  He is still a top 15-20 player in the league with his shooting deficiencies. He is what you would hope to get with that top 5 pick. 

if rockets traded for him last year we wouldnt have gotten a top 4 pick.  this years roster is much better talent wise.  rockets for sure would be out of contention for the top pick if we get Simmons. 

[Texansfan713]

16 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Typically teams don't get back to back early picks because if they do it means the guy they drafted the year earlier isn't very good. If Jalen Green is what you expect him to be, Houston should win games. If you're in the bottom 5 again with him, Woods, KPJ and all of the other young players on the roster, they probably stink.

 

the rockets have a young roster assuming wall and gordon is gone. The older guy on the roster would be DJ Augustin.  if the young guys are playing all season then the rockets certainly will get an early pick. 

[Sllim Pickens]

16 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Typically teams don't get back to back early picks because if they do it means the guy they drafted the year earlier isn't very good. If Jalen Green is what you expect him to be, Houston should win games. If you're in the bottom 5 again with him, Woods, KPJ and all of the other young players on the roster, they probably stink.

 

Thats not true.  Players take time to fully develop.  If Jalen Green is a scoring machine but struggles on D and doesn't have help around him, they easily could have another high pick.  The 76ers got the top pick with Embiid playing, The Thunder had a high pick with Durant and Westbrook when they took Harden.  Players don't come into the league at their peak so it makes sense that bad teams dont get significantly better with a star player in their rookie year.  With the lotto that changes things and makes it harder to have consecutive top picks but the changes to the lotto have helped. Even with Ben and a rookie Jalen Green, that team isnt very good.  Wood is decent but he isnt a star.  If they trade KPJ and Wall for Simmons, there is a very good chance they end up a bottom 5 team still.   Its the same with the Pistons, if Cade has even an All Star year which is very unlikely as a rookie, the rest of the squad is so trash we won't be out of contention for a top 5 pick.  

[the lone star]

Mavs should stay away. They should stay FAR AWAY from Ben Simmons.

The whole offseason was about keeping the ball in Luka's hands and surrounding him with shooters, defensive players, and lob catchers. 

Ben Simmons would bring the defense, but I don't want him taking the ball out of Luka's hand, especially not if he isn't a high volume scorer or floor-spacing shooter.

[NYRaider]

5 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Thats not true.  Players take time to fully develop.  If Jalen Green is a scoring machine but struggles on D and doesn't have help around him, they easily could have another high pick.  The 76ers got the top pick with Embiid playing, The Thunder had a high pick with Durant and Westbrook when they took Harden.  Players don't come into the league at their peak so it makes sense that bad teams dont get significantly better with a star player in their rookie year.  With the lotto that changes things and makes it harder to have consecutive top picks but the changes to the lotto have helped. Even with Ben and a rookie Jalen Green, that team isnt very good.  Wood is decent but he isnt a star.  If they trade KPJ and Wall for Simmons, there is a very good chance they end up a bottom 5 team still.   Its the same with the Pistons, if Cade has even an All Star year which is very unlikely as a rookie, the rest of the squad is so trash we won't be out of contention for a top 5 pick.  

Not true, the 76ers landed the pick that became Ben Simmons during the season that Embiid didn't play. They then landed the pick that became Fultz in the season that Ben Simmons didn't play and Embiid only played 31 games after missing his first 2 seasons. The team was literally trying to tank at that point which allowed them to finish near the top of the lottery odds. 

The Thunder are one of the few cases of a team being able to land two great players in consecutive drafts and still being bad enough to land a third. 

But you see in a lot of cases where a team lands a player in the top 2 that becomes a star and the team turns around almost instantly. The Blazers landed Damian Lillard at #2 then went to the playoffs in year 2, the Grizzles landed Ja Morant then went to the playoffs in year 2, the Bulls landed Derrick Rose at #1 then went to the playoffs his rookie season, the Mavericks landed Luka Doncic and then went to the playoffs in year 2. 

If they trade Wall and KPJ, I don't view them as a bottom 5 team in the NBA. I'd assume their lineup would be: 

Simmons - Green - House - Tate - Wood

That's not a great team by any means but as you've said numerous times, Simmons is a floor raiser. Wood isn't a star but he's coming off of a 20/10 season. I'm assuming that Jalen Green will be a 20 ppg scorer this year as well and then you have Simmons in a point forward role plus Tate/House who are both good defensive players.