Malfatron Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, squire12 said: Did I fake a dream? Did I claim the exact role I had? These are simple questions. But you probably avoid answering them 1. no 2. yes but scum technically could lie and deceive i chose poorly. end of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: very fun game. great job hosting your first game. knowing the full setup now the only bit of advice i would for a future game is to be more transparent with player penalties. I was caught between being clear and transparent, but worried about affecting the game by doing so. If I came right out and said "both players had their moves blocked".. would that honestly have made you happy? it would have been even worse for matts Ultimately, the rules said you would suffer a night penalty (up to and including loss of role for the night) - and I clearly stated that the penalties were executed as written. Beyond that - I think its the gameplayers job to use that information And as for the factional hit - it WAS unusued that the faction didn't own a hit. the PLAYERS did. And the player who owned the hit was the one who earned the penalty. I know it felt harsh, but I don't think it was the wrong decision. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Malfatron said: ok, thats fair get it all out, squire dont hold back Your paranoia about me being scum is quite apparent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: It's not that hard to vote. Fundamental part of the game. Thats my fault. To defend myself, the purpose of the vote-rule is to promote activity. I had like 10+ post the night I failed to vote. I just happened to take a nap and didnt wake up in time to get my vote in. My sleep schedule is screwed right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Malfatron said: tk3 and me talked about that, and i offered my opinion that it should be a cult win in that case. so i do believe you when you say that you could have drew with town. that may have been tk3 intent my original thought was that 1:1 tie with town would be a draw (since neither party had hits).. but ultimately, there was very little risk in that happening, and I would have clarified long before we got there But in retrospect, 1:1 probably should go to the scum side, even if no hit was involved. Next time I'll make sure I'm more decisive about those scenarios before starting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tk3 said: I was caught between being clear and transparent, but worried about affecting the game by doing so. If I came right out and said "both players had their moves blocked".. would that honestly have made you happy? it would have been even worse for matts Ultimately, the rules said you would suffer a night penalty (up to and including loss of role for the night) - and I clearly stated that the penalties were executed as written. Beyond that - I think its the gameplayers job to use that information Honestly, I'd suggest altering the rule just to say that Your current rule is vague and it isn't clear what the penalty is exactly. I'd also argue that in this setup a night roleblock is a way more harsh penalty for scum than it was for town... basically zero incentive for town to vote at all since most don't have night moves. Perhaps an extra vote on them the next day for each day they missed would've been better for this particular setup. Quote And as for the factional hit - it WAS unusued that the faction didn't own a hit. the PLAYERS did. And the player who owned the hit was the one who earned the penalty. I know it felt harsh, but I don't think it was the wrong decision. I'm well aware of this. You resolved the penalty fairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 10:34 AM, Matts4313 said: @JoshstraDaymus => Redskins fan => WFT => Redwolves => Red, Wolves => Josh I want to point out - this is the very first post of the game. I tried to throw you pups a bone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Thats my fault. To defend myself, the purpose of the vote-rule is to promote activity. I had like 10+ post the night I failed to vote. I just happened to take a nap and didnt wake up in time to get my vote in. My sleep schedule is screwed right now. @Tk3and I talked about that. Modblock vs vote remove vs adding a vote to you next day. Regardless of penalty, it sends a message about potential alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, squire12 said: @Tk3and I talked about that. Modblock vs vote remove vs adding a vote to you next day. Regardless of penalty, it sends a message about potential alignment. indeed. which is why the penalty should be officially stated upfront. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, squire12 said: Your paranoia about me being scum is quite apparent i will try to do better next time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: I want to point out - this is the very first post of the game. I tried to throw you pups a bone. I tried to focus on this but talked myself out of it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Thats my fault. To defend myself, the purpose of the vote-rule is to promote activity. I had like 10+ post the night I failed to vote. I just happened to take a nap and didnt wake up in time to get my vote in. My sleep schedule is screwed right now. That's HALF of the purpose of the vote-rule The other half is forcing all players to state an opinion on the direction of the vote and reduce the ability to hide. If you ARE going to hide on a random player, you're going to have to make the choice to do that, not to just hide by not voting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said: indeed. which is why the penalty should be officially stated upfront. Tricky to do with vanilla, odd, even, x shot roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, squire12 said: Tricky to do with vanilla, odd, even, x shot roles. this was it. I didn't want to draw attention to some people having roles some nights, and some not the point was, "don't not vote". I don't see why people need a clearly defined explanation of what would happen. Just make sure you vote 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Tk3 said: 4 minutes ago, squire12 said: Tricky to do with vanilla, odd, even, x shot roles. this was it. I didn't want to draw attention to some people having roles some nights, and some not Its the reason why mod-blocking over 1 missed vote is harsh. Its your game, make it as harsh as you want it to be, but there are other alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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