SBLIII Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Jones is 1st in EPA/play since week 7 but the first 6 weeks do exist as well. I still have him between 15 and 20 right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, SBLIII said: Jones is 1st in EPA/play since week 7 but the first 6 weeks do exist as well. I still have him between 15 and 20 right now. I have him about middle of the pack, but honestly, given the struggles of a lot of quarterbacks this year, I'd have him closer to the 15 range as opposed to 20 (I usually tend to think that there's a drop in tier between 15 and 20...so I may have a group that runs from 12 - 17 for example, with him being closer to the top of that range). He's going to be an efficiency monster for his career. I have no doubt about that. My question has been and will continue to be what can he do beyond that. Efficiency monsters are only part of the equation (see Jimmy G) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Forge said: I have him about middle of the pack, but honestly, given the struggles of a lot of quarterbacks this year, I'd have him closer to the 15 range as opposed to 20 (I usually tend to think that there's a drop in tier between 15 and 20...so I may have a group that runs from 12 - 17 for example, with him being closer to the top of that range). He's going to be an efficiency monster for his career. I have no doubt about that. My question has been and will continue to be what can he do beyond that. Efficiency monsters are only part of the equation (see Jimmy G) What's interesting is that he has a higher average depth of completion this year than supposedly much more "explosive" QBs like Rodgers and Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Apparition said: What's interesting is that he has a higher average depth of completion this year than supposedly much more "explosive" QBs like Rodgers and Mahomes. Yes, but we also have a history of them being very explosive. I'll be honest in that I Didn't know that about Rodgers, and that's super interesting. Not sure what's going on there. I have only watched the one game for the Packers (the 49ers game, where Rodgers ripped the 9ers apart lol). Obviously Mahomes has had a host of issues this year, and one of the early season narratives was the proliferation of the use of cover 2 and man 2 coverages being used against him. At one point, he was facing the most of each of those coverages and the least amount of cover 3 and cover 1 (not sure if that is still the same...the Raiders made the mistake of going heavy cover 3 in that game and we see how that played out). The way to beat cover 2 is often to bust them up underneath with check downs, drags, and the run game. It forces you to dink and dunk. So his statistics in that regard actually do make a ton of sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I stopped reading here and had myself a good ole' laugh. He’s just doing it for the reactions now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) Herbert's season has been up & down. But: Den & Balt games i put it on bad Herbert play. The others not so much. He is: #1 qbr #1 epa #1 paa #2 pass epa #1 raw QBR #4 PFF #4 in yds #5 in tds #6 in adjust comp% #1 in total yds (pass+rush) #4 in total tds #1 GWDs Team has 28 on target drops. 2nd closest Stafford has 23. All this with no run game and year 1 in a new system. Edited December 2, 2021 by Bearerofnews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 DOle, please remove Watson going forward. Presumably you're factoring in recency and current form in these rankings. Get rid of Deshaun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 In some order: Rodgers Mahomes Wilson Allen Herbert Stafford Prescott Cousins Brady Murray Burrow Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 You guys might find this interesting when ranking QBs: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Bullet Club said: In some order: Rodgers Mahomes Wilson Allen Herbert Stafford Prescott Cousins Brady Murray Burrow Jackson Wilson living off of the last at this point. Not looking like he belongs right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 10 hours ago, bigbadbuff said: Wilson living off of the last at this point. Not looking like he belongs right now. I mean this year he's still: 7th in Passer Rating 11th in NY/A 10th in ANY/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: I mean this year he's still: 7th in Passer Rating 11th in NY/A 10th in ANY/A Yes but have you watched him play recently? That whole offense looks lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: Yes but have you watched him play recently? That whole offense looks lost. So only his 3 games back coming off an injury are relevant? There are 12 QB's you'd rather have? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: So only his 3 games back coming off an injury are relevant? There are 12 QB's you'd rather have? I mean he has 12 passing TDs in 8 games, that's not great.. Lowest completion % in the last 5 years. Only 1 game over 300 passing yards. I still think he's a top 12 QB and a great QB but his 2021 season has not been good no matter how you look at it imo. QB(s) I'd rather have over him right now : Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Dak, Herbert, Lamar QBs I can make an argument for : Kyler, Burrow, Stafford That'd put him somewhere in the 9-12 range. I think a change or scenery would be good for him next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, The BILLievers said: I mean he has 12 passing TDs in 8 games, that's not great.. Lowest completion % in the last 5 years. Only 1 game over 300 passing yards. I still think he's a top 12 QB and a great QB but his 2021 season has not been good no matter how you look at it imo. QB(s) I'd rather have over him right now : Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Dak, Herbert, Lamar QBs I can make an argument for : Kyler, Burrow, Stafford That'd put him somewhere in the 9-12 range. I think a change or scenery would be good for him next season. My list wasn't in order so you're not disagreeing with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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