SmittyBacall Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Burrow getting a ton of buzz as of late. I've seen a few lists having him in the top 5. Not sure I would go that far, but he's starting to regain his LSU form coming back from ACL surgery. There is a crazy amount of talent in the top 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, SmittyBacall said: What's the argument for having Tua in the top 10, let alone over Stafford and Burrow? Tua seems to protect the ball better overall but his last two games have become a little sloppier from a turnover standpoint. All around the same tier but in terms of weapons Tua has the least of the three yet is establishing himself as an equal winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, DoleINGout said: Tua seems to protect the ball better overall but his last two games have become a little sloppier from a turnover standpoint. All around the same tier but in terms of weapons Tua has the least of the three yet is establishing himself as an equal winner. Weapons aside, I think you're greatly overlooking the big picture here. You're seriously ranking this... Tagovailoa: 11 games, 7 wins, 15 TDs, 9 INTs, 2339 yards, 94 passer rating (ranked 17th) ...over this? Burrow: 15 games, 9 wins, 30 TDs, 14 INTs, 4165 yards, 105 passer rating (2nd behind Rodgers) Stafford: 15 games, 11 wins, 36 TDs, 13 INTs, 4339 yards, 104 passer rating (3rd behind Burrow) And aside from the stats, which I'm not a big fan of, Burrow and Stafford have flat out looked better. Not to mention Burrow started the season extremely slow coming off surgery; he looked like a shell of his former self for the first quarter of the season. I just don't see the justification. Edited December 29, 2021 by SmittyBacall 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 4 hours ago, SmittyBacall said: Weapons aside, I think you're greatly overlooking the big picture here. You're seriously ranking this... Tagovailoa: 11 games, 7 wins, 15 TDs, 9 INTs, 2339 yards, 94 passer rating (ranked 17th) ...over this? Burrow: 15 games, 9 wins, 30 TDs, 14 INTs, 4165 yards, 105 passer rating (2nd behind Rodgers) Stafford: 15 games, 11 wins, 36 TDs, 13 INTs, 4339 yards, 104 passer rating (3rd behind Burrow) And aside from the stats, which I'm not a big fan of, Burrow and Stafford have flat out looked better. Not to mention Burrow started the season extremely slow coming off surgery; he looked like a shell of his former self for the first quarter of the season. I just don't see the justification. It's a week to week thing, and the rankings fluctuate. Burrow has beaten up on some soft teams while turning the ball over a bit and Stafford is coming off a poor game albeit a win. It's not really a set in stone thing at all and means little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, DoleINGout said: Burrow has beaten up on some soft teams I assume that just means Baltimore, and not Denver or SF. Dropping 527 yards and 4 TDs hurts him in your rankings? 1 hour ago, DoleINGout said: turning the ball over a bit Burrow hasn't had a turnover in the past 3 weeks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 52 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: I assume that just means Baltimore, and not Denver or SF. Dropping 527 yards and 4 TDs hurts him in your rankings? Burrow hasn't had a turnover in the past 3 weeks. Not to mention, “beaten up on soft teams”, while Tua is a week removed from an absolute blood bath against the…New York Jets. Weird points being made. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, SmittyBacall said: I assume that just means Baltimore, and not Denver or SF. Dropping 527 yards and 4 TDs hurts him in your rankings? Burrow hasn't had a turnover in the past 3 weeks. Dropping 527 and 4 TD's doesn't drop Burrow, it raises him if anything. But weighted against the competition I don't put a ton of stock into it even though overall it is a net positive. Burrow had some rough patches this year but has been keeping it clean on the stat sheet lately. He is on a good run and his ranking reflects that against the balance of the season. Tua has been on a two game skid of sorts compared to the rest of the season so this week will be decisive in determining if his ranking should rise, drop again and how far, or stay where it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: Dropping 527 and 4 TD's doesn't drop Burrow, it raises him if anything. But weighted against the competition I don't put a ton of stock into it even though overall it is a net positive. Burrow had some rough patches this year but has been keeping it clean on the stat sheet lately. He is on a good run and his ranking reflects that against the balance of the season. Tua has been on a two game skid of sorts compared to the rest of the season so this week will be decisive in determining if his ranking should rise, drop again and how far, or stay where it is. Say what you will, but there just isn’t any metric, stats, or game film that justify Tua over Burrow or Stafford currently. But it’s your list, dude. Do as you please. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 18 hours ago, SmittyBacall said: Say what you will, but there just isn’t any metric, stats, or game film that justify Tua over Burrow or Stafford currently. But it’s your list, dude. Do as you please. My trust in Stafford has waned this season because he seems to have a bit of the Lions stench on him when it comes to momentum against his team or the pressure of expectation. I like Stafford overall and think he has had a better season overall than Tua, but I think there really isn't much of a difference between he and Tua in terms of not crapping themselves to lose games. As for Burrow, I forgot you are a Bengals fan. I concur with Steve Spagnuola when he sees "young Tom Brady" in Burrow. That has been my view since the end of last season, however he had a bit of a rusty start and I am just eager to see him against the Chiefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfaninptown Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: My trust in Stafford has waned this season because he seems to have a bit of the Lions stench on him when it comes to momentum against his team or the pressure of expectation. I like Stafford overall and think he has had a better season overall than Tua, but I think there really isn't much of a difference between he and Tua in terms of not crapping themselves to lose games. As for Burrow, I forgot you are a Bengals fan. I concur with Steve Spagnuola when he sees "young Tom Brady" in Burrow. That has been my view since the end of last season, however he had a bit of a rusty start and I am just eager to see him against the Chiefs. So basically you're pointing out that Tua's floor is higher or equal to Stafford? What about the ceiling? If the Dolphins fall two scores or more behind do you have confidence that Tua can carry a team on his shoulders? I am not sure we have seen that yet with Tua, but we have seen that with Burrow and Stafford. Edited December 30, 2021 by Billsfaninptown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Billsfaninptown said: So basically you're pointing out that Tua's floor is higher or equal to Stafford? What about the ceiling? If the Dolphins fall two scores or more behind do you have confidence that Tua can carry a team on his shoulders? I am not sure we have seen that yet with Tua, but we have seen that with Burrow and Stafford. Yeah at this point, with the same cast, I think Tua's ceiling is higher going forward. Tua has a bit of mobility outside of the pocket which is a nice dimension that Stafford mostly lacks. As far as proving carrying a team on their shoulders, like I said Stafford is having a better season overall I think but it is close. And I don't think either QB is in the carry their team category right now. Stafford maybe for a season or two did, yeah, and Tua not yet really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: I think Tua's ceiling is higher going forward With regard to Stafford* Burrow probably my favorite QB in the league right now and I think his ceiling is the highest of the three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 After seventeen weeks of 2021-2022 szn: 1. Brady 2. Rodgers 3. Mahomes 4. Herbert 5. Burrow 6. Murray 7. Prescott 8. J. Allen 9. Ryan 10. Hurts 11. Stafford 12. Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 hours ago, DoleINGout said: After seventeen weeks of 2021-2022 szn: 1. Brady 2. Rodgers 3. Mahomes 4. Herbert 5. Burrow 6. Murray 7. Prescott 8. J. Allen 9. Ryan 10. Hurts 11. Stafford 12. Jackson You posted this 3 hours prior to Rodgers even playing lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, beekay414 said: You posted this 3 hours prior to Rodgers even playing lol Because he has been solid enough that his position this week wouldn't have dropped below 2 nor did the performances of any of those below him justify leaping over Rodgers this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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