MNF GDT Week 1: Ravens @ Raiders

[big_palooka]

6 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

The Chargers lucked out with Herbert actually being good, because he was fairly lackluster at Oregon, particularly in big games.

Herbert was a stud his junior year. Came back, had no Oline and no skill positiions. Personally, it was obvious to me Herbert was a stud QB and I hated that he ended up with the Chargers.

[Jeremy408]

Just now, big_palooka said:

Herbert was a stud his junior year. Came back, had no Oline and no skill positiions. Personally, it was obvious to me Herbert was a stud QB and I hated that he ended up with the Chargers.

I’m not gonna lie I knew Herbert was going to be good

[Jeremy408]

7 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Some folks care more about fantasy and it shows. 

Best QB we've had, after a decade+ of Walter, Jawalrus, Gradkowski, McGloin, McCown, Brooks, etc., and people wanna replace him like he's hot garbage all because we didn't hit the absolute lottery on a Mahomes type 5000 yd/40td passer. 

It's not just mind blowing, it's a rejection of reality. Go back and look over the last 10 years at draft threads, I guarantee you people absolutely pounded the table for all kinds of 1st round QBs who couldn't hold Carr's jock. People wanted Manziel. People wanted Tua. People WANTED us (Carr) to fail so we could Tank for Three INT Trevor. I'm sure there were some Winless for Wentz posts too. Dump for Darnold. Lose for Lock. Burn it Down for Bottles. 

The Chiefs hit absolute gold. Nobody could have imagined that Mahomes was going to be so good so quick, and if they say otherwise, they're lying. 

Other teams hit gold in other ways. Wilson was a later pick. Goff would've flopped hard here. The Cardinals built a whole scheme around Murray that's getting good, but nowhere near a guarantee of long-term success. 

The Chargers lucked out with Herbert actually being good, because he was fairly lackluster at Oregon, particularly in big games.

The Lions and Packers had Stafford and Rodgers forever. Ditto with Pitt and Ben. Baltimore traded up for their QRB and had Flacco entrenched before that. So on, so forth. Most of the really successful QBs had been around a while during our hunt for a QB, and people tend to forget just how many busts we could've been stuck with in the meantime. 

Allen here? Flop. Luck probably retires even earlier with what we had for an O-line. Watson? Does being in Oakland and then Vegas make him keep his hands to himself, or are we in Houston's position? 

Since we took Carr, Mahomes and Herbert are really the only two QBs who have come along that would've undoubtedly been successful here and are actually playing football right now. 

My question is, who would people rather have THAT WE ACTUALLY COULD HAVE GOTTEN? Mahomes? 30 other teams are with us in that boat. Dak? I could see the argument, but Dallas also surrounded him with a gold mine of talent, so he's a wash for me. 

Carr is a borderline top 10 QB who sometimes plays like a top 5'er. Ahead of him are Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady- 3 guys we wouldn't have gotten when we took Carr or since, Allen- who would've flopped here, Wilson- in the first category, Stafford- who I find comparable to Carr in many ways, and? Are Jackson or Murray or Dak better for the offense we have had? All have had better weapons and/or organizations drafting around them. Matt Ryan? Anymore, are we SURE about that? Every one of those guys being assuredly better than Carr puts him at 11. Some of them are only questionably better. Herbert? Again, we weren't in a position to get him anyway. So what do anti-Carr people want? 

Back when I used to read this forum but not comment on it I do remember a lot of people on here wanted Tua. It just shows you how the draft pageantry gets a lot of people. The grass is always greener on the other side until they actually have to play.

You dont win because an A+ draft grade on NFL.com

Edited September 18, 2021 by Jeremy408

[Jeremy408]

 

[ronjon1990]

1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said:

I’m not gonna lie I knew Herbert was going to be good

You sure do seem to know everything. And I do mean everything. I've not once seen you admit being wrong or indicating that you didn't know something.

 

What's the upcoming powerball?

[big_palooka]

1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said:

Back when I used to read this forum but not comment on it I do remember a lot of people on here wanted Tua. It just shows you how the draft pageantry gets a lot of people. The grass is always greener on the other side until they actually have to play.

You dont win because an A+ draft grade on NFL.com

I was all in on Tua. It wasn't draft pageantry however and I feel that is misguided. He was big time before the draft with a stellar career at Alabama. I think it's too early to write him off as a pro however. Miami isn't exactly known for their ability to develop successful QBs.

[Jeremy408]

36 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

You sure do seem to know everything. And I do mean everything. I've not once seen you admit being wrong or indicating that you didn't know something.

 

What's the upcoming powerball?

(LOL I knew this was coming😭) Really? because I did admit Multiple times this week that I thought Max Crosby was a complementary pass rusher and he definitely didn’t play like one on Monday. 
 

I also mentioned A few months back how I wanted Miles Sanders over Josh Jacobs. 
 

Is that enough times or do you want more? Lol

Edited September 18, 2021 by Jeremy408

[big_palooka]

Just now, Jeremy408 said:

(LOL I knew this was coming😭) Really? because I did admit Multiple times this week that I thought Max Crosby was a complementary pass rusher and he definitely didn’t play like one on Monday. 
 

I also mentioned A few months back how I wanted Miles Sanders over Josh Jacobs. 
 

is that enough times or do you want more? Lol

As much as I like Jacobs as a player, it was a dumb pick in round 1. The only time you take a RB in round 1 is if he has a generational skill set. Montgomery was a similar back in the draft, taken in round 3. 

 

[ronjon1990]

10 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said:

(LOL I knew this was coming😭) Really? because I did admit Multiple times this week that I thought Max Crosby was a complementary pass rusher and he definitely didn’t play like one on Monday. 
 

I also mentioned A few months back how I wanted Miles Sanders over Josh Jacobs. 
 

Is that enough times or do you want more? Lol

Meh, I would still prefer Sanders. I'm not sold on Jacobs given his penchant for being knicked up and lack of home run ability. He's played, and that's commendable, but when is the last time he wasn't banged up? IIRC, one of the big reasons for taking him over similar talent was the lack of wear and tear. 

Other than that, I'm just messing with you. 

 

 

But seriously, send me the lotto numbers lol😉

[Jeremy408]

6 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

As much as I like Jacobs as a player, it was a dumb pick in round 1. The only time you take a RB in round 1 is if he has a generational skill set. Montgomery was a similar back in the draft, taken in round 3. 

 

I never liked to Montgomery. But he really balled last year he looked good in week one.

I don’t have a problem with taking a runningback in the 1st. For example, I had no problem with the Steelers drafting Najee  Harris. So my thing with Jacobs back then was that there was nothing special about him coming out. The guy was 5’9 225 ran 4.66 in the 40 And never had 700 yards in a season. If there’s a type that you draft in the first round he’s not the type imo(Especially when you could get someone like Miles Sanders who was a five-star recruit and his first year starting as a senior after backing up Saquon Barkley he goes for 1200.)

 But he balled out once he got to the league so I never questioned it again lol. 

[Jeremy408]

3 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

Meh, I would still prefer Sanders. I'm not sold on Jacobs given his penchant for being knicked up and lack of home run ability. He's played, and that's commendable, but when is the last time he wasn't banged up? IIRC, one of the big reasons for taking him over similar talent was the lack of wear and tear. 

Other than that, I'm just messing with you. 

 

 

But seriously, send me the lotto numbers lol😉

Well actually that was my thing i’ve never seen a running back that ran 4.6 go in the first round so I was hot. It was like no matter what you think of him he’s never going to break a run for 60 yards. but more importantly to me was that he had never been in 1000 yard back in college so what made the Raiders at the time think that he could be a workhorse back
 

But then I started hearing stuff I like the Clemson coach saying that that was the best player he had ever coaches against. 
 

And then his rookie year he was a top 10 running back. And that’s why I stopped questioning. He’s a Baller no doubt. 
 

And then it turned out that Miles was injury prone too anyway(even more so then Josh Jacobs)

[ronjon1990]

1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said:

Well actually that was my thing i’ve never seen a running back that ran 4.6 go in the first round so I was hot. It was like no matter what you think of him he’s never going to break a run for 60 yards. but more importantly to me was that he had never been in 1000 yard back in college so what made the Raiders at the time think that he could be a workhorse back
 

But then I started hearing stuff I like the Clemson coach saying that that was the best player he had ever coaches against. 
 

And then his rookie year he was a top 10 running back. And that’s why I stopped questioning. He’s a Baller no doubt. 
 

And then it turned out that Miles was injury prone too anyway(even more so then Josh Jacobs)

My biggest concern with him is diminishing returns (and why I wouldn't take any RB in round 1). 

He had a stud rookie year, a sophomore slump, and now he was banged up to start the year. Foot and leg issues seem to be a recurring theme for him, so how long before he's a short yardage plodder? Sanders, conversely, is indeed hurt more, but when he does play, he offers breakaway ability. 

I hope Jacobs has a long career here, but boy do I worry about giving him the DeMarco Murray treatment. When there was a lot of chatter about using him more often in the passing game last year, I cringed. Dude's obviously a capable workhorse pile pusher, use him as that and find someone else to be the fancy pants pass catcher (we did, so rare kudos to Mayock). No need to overexpose Jacobs. 

[NCOUGHMAN]

3 hours ago, Jeremy408 said:

I’m not gonna lie I knew Herbert was going to be good

Herbert def has the skill set I like in a qb. I liked love too from Utah st. I kinda hope Rogers keeps acting crazy so I can see love play

[Jeremy408]

3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Herbert def has the skill set I like in a qb. I liked love too from Utah st. I kinda hope Rogers keeps acting crazy so I can see love play

I thought love was going to be good when he was coming out but I don't think he's been that impressive in the NFL(in terms of what ive seen in the preseason). I will say that I'm going to the Packers was probably the best situation he could've gone to

[NCOUGHMAN]

6 hours ago, Jeremy408 said:

I never liked to Montgomery. But he really balled last year he looked good in week one.

I don’t have a problem with taking a runningback in the 1st. For example, I had no problem with the Steelers drafting Najee  Harris. So my thing with Jacobs back then was that there was nothing special about him coming out. The guy was 5’9 225 ran 4.66 in the 40 And never had 700 yards in a season. If there’s a type that you draft in the first round he’s not the type imo(Especially when you could get someone like Miles Sanders who was a five-star recruit and his first year starting as a senior after backing up Saquon Barkley he goes for 1200.)

 But he balled out once he got to the league so I never questioned it again lol. 

I liked Montgomery over josh he was a proven back. People put too much into mileage on a rookie. I see it as he has learned what it takes to survive a full season as a bell cow which is important. It’s like a boxer that’s never made it past the 2-3rd round who all of a sudden has to go 12 rounds uncharted territory.