whodatworm23 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, JMG5 said: We can live without Kenny. He is inconsistent and Bell has played just as well, if not better, in his absence. Let him walk. Spend the money on other players. I think Kenny will end up in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Good writeup on Vaccaro from an outside perspective... http://www.detroitlionspodcast.com/lucas-walker/2018/01/12/detroit-lions-safety-kenny-vaccaro/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: Good writeup on Vaccaro from an outside perspective... http://www.detroitlionspodcast.com/lucas-walker/2018/01/12/detroit-lions-safety-kenny-vaccaro/ If someone wants to pay him 8-9m per year then please let them. He is not great against the pass, but CAN be good against the run. Let someone else pay him all of that money. We should keep the youth movement going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, JMG5 said: If someone wants to pay him 8-9m per year then please let them. He is not great against the pass, but CAN be good against the run. Let someone else pay him all of that money. We should keep the youth movement going. Bell is (marginally) better in coverage and a better blitzer. He's just a good of tackler, but I think Vaccaro is a bit better at reading and reacting to blockers. Bell reminds me more of Harper than anyone since, well Harper. Vaccaro is too stiff and totally unmotivated in coverage. He flourished his rookie year playing around the LOS and covering checkdowns, he demanded a position change in year 2 (was envious of Eric Reid's rookie season stats and wanted to play like a true safety) and was terrible and was publicly benched when he flopped. Ever since then he's played his nickle LB role but his motivation has never been there IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: Bell is (marginally) better in coverage and a better blitzer. He's just a good of tackler, but I think Vaccaro is a bit better at reading and reacting to blockers. Bell reminds me more of Harper than anyone since, well Harper. Vaccaro is too stiff and totally unmotivated in coverage. He flourished his rookie year playing around the LOS and covering checkdowns, he demanded a position change in year 2 (was envious of Eric Reid's rookie season stats and wanted to play like a true safety) and was terrible and was publicly benched when he flopped. Ever since then he's played his nickle LB role but his motivation has never been there IMO I think Bell can get better at reading and reacting with more playing time. I really like him as a starter going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, JMG5 said: I think Bell can get better at reading and reacting with more playing time. I really like him as a starter going forward. Agreed. I think Vaccaro is worth 5-6m for his role here, but he's far from expendable. Upgrades at LB would pretty much negate his loss immediately IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodatworm23 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: Agreed. I think Vaccaro is worth 5-6m for his role here, but he's far from expendable. Upgrades at LB would pretty much negate his loss immediately IMO. Kenny is just far too inconsistent for a veteran player with marginal athleticism and no 1 defined position. Bell has more upside than Kenny and is much younger and cheaper. I also didnt like how Kenny gave up on plays this season and he has been somewhat injury prone since he's been here. If Breaux comes back healthy and Crawley and Williams play the slot and we upgrade the LB group in the draft, their is simply no need for Kenny moving fwd IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 28 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: Agreed. I think Vaccaro is worth 5-6m for his role here, but he's far from expendable. Upgrades at LB would pretty much negate his loss immediately IMO. This. We need to upgrade the LB position and the defensive line in the off-season. With upgrades at those positions we can be a very good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 hours ago, JMG5 said: I think Bell can get better at reading and reacting with more playing time. I really like him as a starter going forward. This is what I was thinking. Vacarro + Bell + Williams = Ingram + Peterson + Kamara. Eliminate the one who doesn't quite fit right, and the other two grow! Man, I wish we had a Sharper to sign (minus the drug induced pipe laying). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvoodoo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 2:57 PM, Mid Iowa said: This is what I was thinking. Vacarro + Bell + Williams = Ingram + Peterson + Kamara. Eliminate the one who doesn't quite fit right, and the other two grow! Man, I wish we had a Sharper to sign (minus the drug induced pipe laying). We have our ballhawk already. Say hello to Marcus Williams! Like many elluded to already...he'll be the tackling machine we need him to be as well. That's the difference an offseason can make. Oh, and Marcus is a class act to boot... and he's still maturing. Nothing but win-win in regards to him. To answer the thread topic question...not much to this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, jcvoodoo said: We have our ballhawk already. Say hello to Marcus Williams! Like many elluded to already...he'll be the tackling machine we need him to be as well. That's the difference an offseason can make. Oh, and Marcus is a class act to boot... and he's still maturing. Nothing but win-win in regards to him. Yeah, I like the kid. I do wish he had the 9 or 10 (whatever it was) years of experience to go along with his good play. It'll happen, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvoodoo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, jcvoodoo said: We have our ballhawk already. Say hello to Marcus Williams! Like many elluded to already...he'll be the tackling machine we need him to be as well. That's the difference an offseason can make. Oh, and Marcus is a class act to boot... and he's still maturing. Nothing but win-win in regards to him. To answer the thread topic question...not much to this defense. Don't get me wrong, KV is good in-the-box but we can survive and even thrive w/o him. Keep the money he'd demand (according to the rumormill) and throw it elsewhere... like Dontario Poe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 I do think we’ll be hurting bad if we let KV walk and don’t land a top flight LB Kenny is essentially our depth at LB, Slot and Safety... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcvoodoo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Land a big name DL in FA and we got a special defense...even more special than this year. Oh, and remember all the IR guys should be 100% by then. I like the potential LBs we can draft, so not worried in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, jcvoodoo said: I like the potential LBs we can draft, so not worried in the least. Idk, LB is the one position this team can’t seem to get right... AJ is the best we’ve had in a long time, and he’s really just average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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