JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, abstract_thought said: You must have seen their COVID outbreak coming 6 months ahead of time. Or maybe the roster was overrated to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: Remember the offseason when people were claiming the Browns were the best and most talented team in the league? I do, because I remember getting flack for not buying into the hype and saying they were not even the 2nd best team in their own division behind the Ravens and Steelers. I think the team really talented when healthy, but its so damn dysfunctional. Stefanski was overrated, Garrett isn't the leader he needs to be, and I've said forever that Baker isn't as good as people try to make him out to be. Mediocre coach, ok at best QB, and a team that I don't see any major leadership in. Garrett calling out the coaches when they give up over 40. Look at the end of the day, if you gave up 40 with that much talent then your team just got whipped and you as a player allowed it too. Not saying he was wrong that they didn't make good enough adjustments, but sack up and beat the guy across from you. Lovie ran a Tampa 2 an annoyingly frequent amount of times each game, but the players lined up and won their match ups enough it didn't matter how simple it was. I mean, where is the heart? Looks like the old Philly Deam Team again. Talent can take you pretty far if you're all going in the same direction, CLE just has no one that can MAKE them go in the same direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Their roster has been ravaged by injuries and COVID. They have the best team DVOA in the division. And they still have a good chance of finishing level with both PIT and BAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sugashane said: I think the team really talented when healthy, but its so damn dysfunctional. Stefanski was overrated, Garrett isn't the leader he needs to be, and I've said forever that Baker isn't as good as people try to make him out to be. Mediocre coach, ok at best QB, and a team that I don't see any major leadership in. Garrett calling out the coaches when they give up over 40. Look at the end of the day, if you gave up 40 with that much talent then your team just got whipped and you as a player allowed it too. Not saying he was wrong that they didn't make good enough adjustments, but sack up and beat the guy across from you. Lovie ran a Tampa 2 an annoyingly frequent amount of times each game, but the players lined up and won their match ups enough it didn't matter how simple it was. I mean, where is the heart? Looks like the old Philly Deam Team again. Talent can take you pretty far if you're all going in the same direction, CLE just has no one that can MAKE them go in the same direction. I like Stefanski as a play caller and I agree wholeheartedly that the teams lacks a REAL leader but also think the "talent" was being overrated as well. This is what I said about the Browns in the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: They have the best team DVOA in the division. By 0.1% with an easier schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: By 0.1% with an easier schedule. DVOA is already schedule adjusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Just now, abstract_thought said: DVOA is already schedule adjusted. Yeah.....and the Browns are only 0.1% ahead of the Ravens (not counting this week). What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 @abstract_thought Do you think the Browns are the most talented team in the league and why? Because if not then what exactly are you arguing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) I see we're back to strawmanning. Let's just say it's mildly convenient to take a victory lap about a take that only now became partially correct after the Browns played a game without a head coach and half their starters. Edited December 21, 2021 by abstract_thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: I see we're back to strawmanning. Let's just say it's mildly convenient to take a victory lap about a take that only now became partially correct after the Browns played a game without a head coach and half their starters. So basically you don't even know what you're arguing at this point. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 I think it was pretty clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: I think it was pretty clear. This is the real problem then. You are arguing about something that you don't even what your arguing about. Edited December 21, 2021 by JAF-N72EX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: By 0.1% with an easier schedule. The Browns play the same teams as the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals with the exception of 3 teams: Chargers, Pats and Cardinals due to where they finished in the division last year. I guess despite finishing 3rd in 2020, they actually drew the worst possible hand than PIT and BAL who should be playing better teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 hours ago, beardown3231 said: The Browns play the same teams as the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals with the exception of 3 teams: Chargers All of them played the Chargers??? The AFC North played the AFC West. Browns: HOU, @NE, ARI Ravens: IND, @MIA, LAR Steelers: TEN, @BUF, SEA The Browns got HOU, CHI, DET, ARI, DEN, and LV at HOME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, JAF-N72EX said: All of them played the Chargers??? The AFC North played the AFC West. Browns: HOU, @NE, ARI Ravens: IND, @MIA, LAR Steelers: TEN, @BUF, SEA The Browns got HOU, CHI, DET, ARI, DEN, and LV at HOME. Correct, my fault. AFCN played the AFCW and NFCN. The random 3 opponents for the AFCN were the NFCW, AFCS and AFCE so Cleveland got NE (Baltimore got Miami, Pitt got Buffalo), HOU (Baltimore got Indy, Pitt got Tennessee) and ARZ (Baltimore got Rams, Pitt got Seattle). By my math Cleveland got f***ed with the Pats and Cards draw. They won out by getting Houston. That's it. Browns- Texans, Pats, Cards Ravens- Colts, Dolphins, Rams Steelers- Titans, Bills, Seahawks I guess maybe Baltimore got boinked too but I'd rather play those 3 than NE and AZ Wow, they got Houston, Detroit and Chicago AT HOME? What a gauntlet. Thank god they got those 3 at home otherwise they would've been in trouble. They got the Chiefs, Pats, and Packers on the road. Edited December 21, 2021 by beardown3231 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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