NYRaider Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Ozzy said: Promise is one thing but to me he has to show a hell of a lot more before I call him the #1 pick in the 2023 draft. Will see how he looks against the #1 defense in college football this weekend like I said. If Dan Mullen even plays him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, Ozzy said: Promise is one thing but to me he has to show a hell of a lot more before I call him the #1 pick in the 2023 draft. Will see how he looks against the #1 defense in college football this weekend like I said. Van has never cared about waiting to state his position. That's his prerogative. Quote But honestly Richardson would be lucky to have the slightly above average performance as a QB in the NFL for a short time Daunte had. So yeah I need to see a hell of a lot more from him that is for sure. TJ Finley is a big strong kid with a ton of athletic potential and upside as well, no one is calling him a #1 overall pick, and Finley has far more proven production in college than Richardson has, granted he was nothing great but so far same with Richardson outside of what he did against USF. Comparing him and T.J. Finley is an apples to oranges comparison. Finley wasn't very impressive last year. He's also not the same sort of freak athlete. Richardson is 6'4" 240 pounds with 4.5 speed, agility to make guys miss, and strength to shrug off tacklers. He has a strong arm, but also has some understanding of touch. The issue on AR is his lack of film. The issue on Finley is his unimpressive film. But the reality is that Finley isn't remotely the physical talent that AR is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Van has never cared about waiting to state his position. That's his prerogative. Comparing him and T.J. Finley is an apples to oranges comparison. Finley wasn't very impressive last year. He's also not the same sort of freak athlete. Richardson is 6'4" 240 pounds with 4.5 speed, agility to make guys miss, and strength to shrug off tacklers. He has a strong arm, but also has some understanding of touch. The issue on AR is his lack of film. The issue on Finley is his unimpressive film. But the reality is that Finley isn't remotely the physical talent that AR is. So Jeff Sims is an amazing NFL prospect because he is a good athlete at QB, he actually played as a true freshman and was pretty damn productive last year. Jayden Daniels is another, amazing freshman year but has not been so great recently, still very talented and super athletic. Honestly though I would be some what surprised if Richardson is faster than Bryce Young on Alabama. Sure Richardson is thicker and stronger but quickness in the pocket Bryce Young has him beat. Still I hope Richardson plays a ton against Alabama, will see what he has for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ozzy said: So Jeff Sims is an amazing NFL prospect because he is a good athlete at QB, he actually played as a true freshman and was pretty damn productive last year. Jayden Daniels is another, amazing freshman year but has not been so great recently, still very talented and super athletic. Honestly though I would be some what surprised if Richardson is faster than Bryce Young on Alabama. Sure Richardson is thicker and stronger but quickness in the pocket Bryce Young has him beat. Still I hope Richardson plays a ton against Alabama, will see what he has for real. If he's not faster than Bryce Young, it's close, and Richardson has 4 inches and 40 pounds on Young. Sims and Daniels are certainly talented. Daniels hasn't progressed much as a passer, which is concerning at his experience level. Sims showed flashes of good things. But again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Richardson's physical talent is what sets him apart. Again, a guy with his size, speed, agility, strength, and arm is just plain rare. I'm hoping Mullen makes him the starter soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, jrry32 said: If he's not faster than Bryce Young, it's close, and Richardson has 4 inches and 40 pounds on Young. Sims and Daniels are certainly talented. Daniels hasn't progressed much as a passer, which is concerning at his experience level. Sims showed flashes of good things. But again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Richardson's physical talent is what sets him apart. Again, a guy with his size, speed, agility, strength, and arm is just plain rare. I'm hoping Mullen makes him the starter soon. True but Logan Thomas was pretty damn rare as a prospect physically at QB, and he is a TE now in the NFL, Terrelle Pryor was a WR for a bit after QB did not work out either. Then you have EJ Manuel who had super high character, big strong kid, good arm and clearly did not do much in the league at all at QB. And no way Richardson has a throwing arm like say Josh Allen but will wait and see about that. Cam Newton maybe but he has a long way to go before being considering into that company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ozzy said: True but Logan Thomas was pretty damn rare as a prospect physically at QB, and he is a TE now in the NFL, Terrelle Pryor was a WR for a bit after QB did not work out either. Then you have EJ Manuel who had super high character, big strong kid, good arm and clearly did not do much in the league at all at QB. And no way Richardson has a throwing arm like say Josh Allen but will wait and see about that. Cam Newton maybe but he has a long way to go before being considering into that company. Yeah, he could end up like Logan Thomas. It's possible. We haven't seen him have to pass consistently yet. Pryor didn't have the same arm. And Manuel really wasn't that impressive physically. So he's not a good comparison. The thing Anthony has going for him is Dan Mullen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Yeah, he could end up like Logan Thomas. It's possible. We haven't seen him have to pass consistently yet. Pryor didn't have the same arm. And Manuel really wasn't that impressive physically. So he's not a good comparison. The thing Anthony has going for him is Dan Mullen. EJ Manuel was not that bad of an athlete. He ran a faster 40 time than Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger, Dak Prescott, Andrew Luck, Josh Allen, Carson Wentz and Derek Carr and did it at a shade under 240. So physically he is very similar in terms of overall build, sure he might not be as fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ozzy said: EJ Manuel was not that bad of an athlete. He ran a faster 40 time than Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger, Dak Prescott, Andrew Luck, Josh Allen, Carson Wentz and Derek Carr and did it at a shade under 240. So physically he is very similar in terms of overall build, sure he might not be as fast. Manuel's best rushing season in college was just over 300 yards. Richardson has 275 rushing yards in only like 8ish drives. Richardson looks to be special because of his freakish gifts. Reduce those gifts to good, and suddenly, he's no longer getting hyped. It's another apples to oranges comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 9 hours ago, jrry32 said: Manuel's best rushing season in college was just over 300 yards. Richardson has 275 rushing yards in only like 8ish drives. Richardson looks to be special because of his freakish gifts. Reduce those gifts to good, and suddenly, he's no longer getting hyped. It's another apples to oranges comparison. Maybe, but you also realize any Florida player that shows just an inkling of talent you generally overrate. Also Tim Tebow is clearly a hell of an athlete, who cares how athletic you are at QB if you cannot throw the football, and that is obviously saying it about Tebow who had 9285 yards passing in college, 88 TDs and only 11 INTs. Just saying EJ Manuel is not nearly as bad of athlete as you made him out to be and proof of that would be his 40 time compared to other pretty physically gifted QBs. But sure it will be fun to watch Anthony Richardson and he is a hell of an athlete but it has been two games against terrible teams. Sure looked amazing in those at times but remember Khalil Tate? In his SOPH year ran of 206 yards, 161, 146, 137, 230 and 327 yards rushing in consecutive Pac-12 games and total 11 TDs in that span. Obviously every single team he played was better than the two teams Richardson has played this year, and that was just rushing yards, he also threw for 957 yards combined in those games and 8 TDs. Who cares, he is not in the NFL, it never worked out at QB and honestly his career kind of progressively got worse especially after Rich Rod stopped being the coach. Rich Rod like Dan Mullen has a system where the QB run game is big and they put emphasis on it. Tate did improve as a passer but was never the same runner after a few injuries. So his crazy rush days in college from the QB position, who cares, until Richardson does this against legit competition and shows he can consistently make NFL throws who cares. Fun to imagine though but for the third time will see what he does against real competition this Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Maybe, but you also realize any Florida player that shows just an inkling of talent you generally overrate. Yeah, no. But what I did just "realize" is that you're not worth the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Yeah, no. But what I did just "realize" is that you're not worth the conversation. You have a slight Florida bias is the nice way to put it sir, and if you do not think so look back and some things you have said in the past. Not worth the conversation, sure that would be lovely to have that. For the fourth time, will see what he does against the best defensive team in the country. If he does what he did against USF and Florida Atlantic against Bama, yeah I might be all in on him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Another Van classic baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I know he didn't end up playing QB in the NFL, but Matt Jones, QB Arkansas who ended up a WR bust for the Jaguars had crazy combine numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 On 9/16/2021 at 6:21 PM, Ozzy said: And no way Richardson has a throwing arm like say Josh Allen but will wait and see about that. Cam Newton maybe but he has a long way to go before being considering into that company. Richardson looks like a physical freak but the sample size is just way too small to be making any declarations about his draft stock. Dude isn't even currently the starting QB at UF, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/16/2021 at 11:56 AM, jrry32 said: I'm not doubting that Culpepper tested well, but he wasn't a great runner in college and didn't do a ton of it in the NFL, outside of 2002. Richardson is a very natural runner, and it's going to be a big part of his game. Fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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