bucksavage1 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Carr is on his way out with the Gruden regime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Carr is on his way out with the Gruden regime We'll see. After this season Carr will be on the last year of his deal with a very team friendly deal as he only has a $19M cap hit. The QB class in the upcoming draft looks terrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, NYRaider said: We'll see. After this season Carr will be on the last year of his deal with a very team friendly deal as he only has a $19M cap hit. The QB class in the upcoming draft looks terrible. I can’t stomach another year of Carr. He is who he is at this time. We aren’t progressing with him regardless of his 1st few games. His limitations leave too much on the table. The top tier QBs are younger and more dynamic. Carr contract is a perfect trade for another team. QB classes always look questionable at this point of the season. This year more than ever but 2 to 3 prospects will emerge in the NFL draft build up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, NYRaider said: We'll see. After this season Carr will be on the last year of his deal with a very team friendly deal as he only has a $19M cap hit. The QB class in the upcoming draft looks terrible. Carr with that last year on his deal could be a solid option for the new GM/HC. If they can grab a good rookie great, they can sit him a bit, if the draft falls other way they still have a solid veteran, so they don't need to panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Rolni said: Carr with that last year on his deal could be a solid option for the new GM/HC. If they can grab a good rookie great, they can sit him a bit, if the draft falls other way they still have a solid veteran, so they don't need to panic. Exactly. Keeping Carr gives us flexibility. Our options include: 1.) Draft a QB early and let him sit behind Carr for a year until he's ready then let Carr walk in 2023. 2.) Draft a QB early and if he's ready to start as a rookie trade Carr before/during the season. 3.) If we don't like any of the QB's just ride it out one more year with Carr and then look to draft someone in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) At this point I would want to keep Carr. He will be helpful in attracting a top young coach. I would trade him for no less than two firsts. And, who knows if he would even play for another team. Edited October 12, 2021 by Rich7sena 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I’m not sure anyone can stomach another year of Derek Carr. We’re stuck in purgatory with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: I’m not sure anyone can stomach another year of Derek Carr. We’re stuck in purgatory with him Carr hasn't been the issue at all this season. Our lack of an OL is the problem. We can't run the ball or protect Carr. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Interesting tidbit in Vic Tafur's recent article: Quote 4. What becomes of Derek Carr? The Raiders have to decide on a huge extension for their quarterback this next offseason, as Carr will be entering the final season of his five-year, $125 million deal. Gruden had been singing Carr’s praises the last couple of seasons, and Carr was even getting some MVP buzz when the team was 3-0. If the Raiders made the playoffs this season, the belief was that Gruden would tell Davis to go ahead and pay Carr. But that’s all out the window when the Raiders hire a new coach, especially since many people in the organization believe that Davis is not as high on Carr as Gruden had become. I kind of always thought it the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Interesting tidbit in Vic Tafur's recent article: I kind of always thought it the other way around. I’ve heard “rumors” that a lot of our best players don’t like carr so I wouldn’t be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I’ve heard “rumors” that a lot of our best players don’t like carr so I wouldn’t be surprised. Same. And I can see it. He's got a fake tough guy persona. I'm ready to move on while he still has trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: Carr hasn't been the issue at all this season. Our lack of an OL is the problem. We can't run the ball or protect Carr. Pretty much. A new HC/GM will almost inevitably want their own QB. But Gruden's fails aren't tied to Carr's play. If we can move him for something nice, ok. If not, it's not like he's so atrociously bad he singlehandedly holds us back. This isn't a good team. The O-line sucks, the run D is as bad as it was last year, our RBs leave A LOT to be desired, and our WR corps is both shallow and largely still unproven. It's a lackluster QB class in a year where there are a lot of teams that will be looking for a QBOTF (looking at Denver and Houston for certain, possibly Detroit, Seattle, Atlanta, Washington, not to mention the host of other possibilities like Miami, Pittsburgh, both New York teams (and yes, that includes the Jets because it's not beneath them to do), Tampa, etc). We could possibly overpay for a FA QB in what will probably be a heated market for R. Wilson, Rodgers, possibly Ryan, and maybe Watson, but then what? None of them would be guaranteed upgrades with the O-line we have in place. Even with a super mobile QB, would the cost be economical given the likelihood of injury? Would the improvement be worth the cap hit that will just hamstring other positions? Going all in on a rookie would be an outright disaster behind this line. And let's be fair, the WRs and Waller have to carry some share of the blame too. Carr hasn't been perfect by any means, but we've seen pretty much everyone except Renfrow drop absolute gimmes and fail to make catches they should have. And our run game as a whole is so bad there would be nothing for a young QB to lean on. Honestly, our best option is keep Carr around and try to extend him on a team friendly bridge QB deal and start prepping for the next victim. He'll probably give us a better deal than any of the upcoming FAs and room to actually become a better team rather than hoping for a miracle with the trash Gruden left behind for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Interesting tidbit in Vic Tafur's recent article: I kind of always thought it the other way around. I think the proof is in the pudding. The media tried to drum up a story that Gruden didn't like or want to keep Carr. He had plenty of opportunities to replace him and didn't. Doesn't mean Gruden didn't like other QBs or look into them, but every team should be doing that regardless of who they have. If someone doesn't like Carr and wants to move on from him, that's fine by me. I assumed this would be his last season to try and change the narrative. I just don't like how everyone has to make up a reason to justify it. I'm sure we are all curious to how the rest of the season will end up. Odds are we are blowing it up at the end of the season and we will have a whole host of new things to complain about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 45 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I’ve heard “rumors” that a lot of our best players don’t like carr so I wouldn’t be surprised. And which players would that be? I have only seen current and former teammates praise him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Rich7sena said: And which players would that be? I have only seen current and former teammates praise him. One player surprised me so much because he targets him 200 times a season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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