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Week 5 GDT - Arizona Cardinals vs San Francisco 49ers


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We have held the Cards to 12 and 17 points the last two meetings. Defense kind of has that offense's number now. First time they have held Murray in check with his legs in five meetings.

Ryans I feel like is a little too aggressive at times with the corners not being good enough, but clearly he is calling some good games and the defense is getting it done. He's just going to be naturally an aggressive DC. 

21 minutes ago, John232 said:

Was the last time we had  TO heavy defense with Harbaugh?

2011 was a wild season in terms of creating turnovers...The power of running that two man defense with a ferocious pass rush not having to blitz. 

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When I was watching the Rams/Seahawks game on Thursday night I knew this team was in trouble. We literally made Seattle’s Defense look like a top 5 unit aside from a couple of drives. The reality is, that defense it reaching historically bad levels of incompetency through 5 weeks. The rams almost put up 500 yards on them. The rams were basically getting whatever they wanted out of them. I understand we do not have Matt Stafford but still with how well our D played that was a game we should have won. Losing by a combined 16 points in the last 3 games stings. I’m semi-ok with putting the packers loss on the D but at the same time I’m not…the offense gave the packers a short field, couldn’t keep Aaron off the field and couldnt sustain drives. Kyle being labeled an “offensive genius” is misleading. He is very good once the run game is going..if we can’t run, the Linebackers don’t bite on the play action and therefore the middle of the field isn’t open to our shallow/ intermediate routes. This offense is one dimensional as hell. The 4th down designed runs were trash this game. Trey is good running the ball when it’s not a designed QB run. If you noticed, trey was able to pick up first downs with his legs when it was supposed to be a pass, the pocket collapsed, he climbs the pocket and takes off. The forced runs and lack of letting trey make a play with either his arm or legs killed us today. I am huge niner fan and trying to be very objective. I’m not on a witch-hunt for kyles head either. However I do wonder how we would look with Brian Daboll or Joe Brady as our head coach..also last point..we need receivers that have really good hands. Like Keenan Allen and Mike Williams type of receivers for Trey. Not these gadget guys like Yuk and Deebo. Trey needs a reliable guy that can catch his fastballs. Sorry I’m frustrated..lol 

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6 hours ago, Forge said:

Interesting. 

Odd call when you have a young Cam Newton who would probably sneak it easily.  Shanahan played like he was scared of the Cards offense which was a mistake.  If they play the field position game it’s probably a different result. 
 

 

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This game turned out a lot better than I thought it was going to go. The moment didn't seem to big for Lance, and he actually did some really nice things in his first start despite having virtually no game experience for two years, dumb penalties by veterans, and going up against arguably the best team in the league on the road. It could have been a disaster honestly. That first drive interception was really disturbing, and a couple of other throws were bitter reminders of his lack of accuracy and/or throwing mechanic concerns from the peanut gallery. I will say, that the offense did look a lot more versatile with him in there which is to be expected. Shanahan actually showed some confidence (or maybe desperation) with the 4th down attempts, which I liked regardless of how it worked out. Apparently it looks like Jimmy G will return as the starter in two weeks. Mixed feelings about that as a fan, but I still think Shanahan and the coaches know best, so I'm not up in arms about it like some of the whispers that have turned to howls from fans. 

Defense played extremely well most of the game. I will say Josh Norman was getting completely owned by Hopkins other than one play. That sucked, but he's essentially over the hill going up against one of the best in the league. My favorite play was probably from BigDJ93 when he dropped the sack hammer on Kyler Murray. Definitely roughed him up the majority of the contest. 

Anyway, sucks to stack three straight L's, but I wasn't demoralized after this loss. The 49ers can beat the Colts at home coming off a BYE regardless if Trey or Jimmy starts. Mitchell back in the saddle definitely helps the offense as a whole along with Trey Sermon. No major injuries coming from the game so that's a relief.

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6 hours ago, JIllg said:

I’m an Auburn alum, and the game reminded me a lot of college Cam Newton at the beginning of 2010 when the coaches were just getting to the plays that they were comfortable with him and he was just learning what he could do. That team also loved to go for it on forth (for good reason - Cam is a tank), but learned to mix in clever play actions on short yardage to maximize Cam’s danger. Cam missed high early on, too. The Mississippi State game that year was a lot like this. Or the Clemson game. Lance’s strength - the way he goes through arm tackles - is like no quarterback I’ve seen since Cam. His stat line was super Cam-y, too. Cam eventually got to passing very efficiently by the end of that year. And Lance’s arm blows Cam’s out of the water for strength. Auburn had games (many) where Cam was the lead tailback. Lance’s play might not turn the corner, but he puts himself into a lot of good positions with his legs in both the running and passing game. It won’t take much accuracy improvement or awareness of closing defenders to make him a real asset. We were at 5.9 yards per play on offense today in spite of all of the bad - about 10th in the NFL if we averaged it all year. The holding penalties, low number of overall drives, and forth down close calls disguised a reasonably effective offensive performance just as penalties, a kickoff return, and good red zone play/luck made the Green Bay offensive performance appear better than the underlying metrics suggested. 

Sadly at the NFL level though, Cam never became that pin-point accurate pocket passer. He was usually up/down with his accuracy year to year. But Josh Allen improved his accuracy, so obviously anything is possible. 

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7 hours ago, Meow said:

LOL. Kyle is not a good coach. Good coach's don't call gimmick QB sneaks with a Fullback from 1 1/2 yards out on 4th down. Or kicking a 40 yard field goal with a punter on 4th and 5 when the offense was moving the ball at will. Good coach's don't constantly have 4th quarter collapses. 

Sorry, but reality and stats don't back up your claim. Shanahan has a horrible record and the 49ers are by far the worst scoring team in the NFC west. He's not a good coach, he's better suited for strictly an OC position. 

 

Sounds like you're describing Andy Reid before he won a title. 

If Shanahan was fired Jacksonville would hired him t-minus right quick. 

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6 hours ago, 49to5er said:

When I was watching the Rams/Seahawks game on Thursday night I knew this team was in trouble. We literally made Seattle’s Defense look like a top 5 unit aside from a couple of drives. The reality is, that defense it reaching historically bad levels of incompetency through 5 weeks. The rams almost put up 500 yards on them. The rams were basically getting whatever they wanted out of them. I understand we do not have Matt Stafford but still with how well our D played that was a game we should have won. Losing by a combined 16 points in the last 3 games stings. I’m semi-ok with putting the packers loss on the D but at the same time I’m not…the offense gave the packers a short field, couldn’t keep Aaron off the field and couldnt sustain drives. Kyle being labeled an “offensive genius” is misleading. He is very good once the run game is going..if we can’t run, the Linebackers don’t bite on the play action and therefore the middle of the field isn’t open to our shallow/ intermediate routes. This offense is one dimensional as hell. The 4th down designed runs were trash this game. Trey is good running the ball when it’s not a designed QB run. If you noticed, trey was able to pick up first downs with his legs when it was supposed to be a pass, the pocket collapsed, he climbs the pocket and takes off. The forced runs and lack of letting trey make a play with either his arm or legs killed us today. I am huge niner fan and trying to be very objective. I’m not on a witch-hunt for kyles head either. However I do wonder how we would look with Brian Daboll or Joe Brady as our head coach..also last point..we need receivers that have really good hands. Like Keenan Allen and Mike Williams type of receivers for Trey. Not these gadget guys like Yuk and Deebo. Trey needs a reliable guy that can catch his fastballs. Sorry I’m frustrated..lol 

Yuk is not a gadget guy and you can't watch Deebo this season and think he's just a gadget type of WR. Both made strong catches yesterday.

They just need more reps with him in games and in practice to get used to of his throws. 

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6 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said:

Also is it just me or is his long wind-up resulting in batted passes? Pretty disturbing if that's the case :(

It is part of it but that's why he needs to mix in some pump fakes and needs to know when to take a step or two back to buy himself more time. All a learning process.

I watched some of the Bears/Raiders game and despite Fields having more playing experience, it looked to me that Trey felt more comfortable. Fields was unsure of himself at times while Trey for the most part knew where to go with the ball and did not panic much. Encouraging sign. 

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8 hours ago, DirtyDez said:

Odd call when you have a young Cam Newton who would probably sneak it easily.  Shanahan played like he was scared of the Cards offense which was a mistake.  If they play the field position game it’s probably a different result. 
 

 

I'm torn because it looked bad in that situation, but I believe that they had used it twice before and each time it was successful. So hard for me to argue the reasoning why you would use it there

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