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Is Derrick Henry like a modern day version of Jim Brown?


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Another point of comparison we can look at is how effective Brown and Henry were relative to the rest of the league.

Henry's success comes at a time when NFL defenses are devoting the LEAST amount of resources to stopping the run in the entire history of the sport. This is because passing has become so incredibly effective. A Derrick Henry rush gains less yards per play than a Zach Wilson, Jared Goff, or David Mills pass. 

Meanwhile, in Jim Brown's era, the rushing attack was the dominant aspect of offense. In 1960 Jim Brown averaged 5.8 Yards per Rush, and the team that led the league in Yards per Play was... Cleveland at 5.8. INTs were thrown at a super high rate, so the average ANY/A for the league was 4.2 yards. 

In 1960, a Jim Brown run was close to one of the best plays you could run in the entire sport. 

In 2021, a Derrick Henry run is a mediocre play. In fact, it is below average. A Derrick Henry rush gains less yards than an average play by the Lions or Steelers, two putrid offenses. 

What distinguishes Henry is his insane workload and durability, so he's able to pile up a lot of cumulative stats. 

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18 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said:

Another point of comparison we can look at is how effective Brown and Henry were relative to the rest of the league.

Henry's success comes at a time when NFL defenses are devoting the LEAST amount of resources to stopping the run in the entire history of the sport. This is because passing has become so incredibly effective. A Derrick Henry rush gains less yards per play than a Zach Wilson, Jared Goff, or David Mills pass. 

Meanwhile, in Jim Brown's era, the rushing attack was the dominant aspect of offense. In 1960 Jim Brown averaged 5.8 Yards per Rush, and the team that led the league in Yards per Play was... Cleveland at 5.8. INTs were thrown at a super high rate, so the average ANY/A for the league was 4.2 yards. 

In 1960, a Jim Brown run was close to one of the best plays you could run in the entire sport. 

In 2021, a Derrick Henry run is a mediocre play. In fact, it is below average. A Derrick Henry rush gains less yards than an average play by the Lions or Steelers, two putrid offenses. 

What distinguishes Henry is his insane workload and durability, so he's able to pile up a lot of cumulative stats. 

Thank you, I keep seeing all this goat talk and how amazing it is on social media, and don't get me wrong, Henry is a really good back, but the only thing that really stands out about him is his durability SO FAR.  If he flames out from the workload in the next couple of years, then he's just another good back in NFL history.  He's averaging 4.8 ypc this season.  That's very good, but it's also 12th amongst RB in the league and 13th overall (Lamar Jackson #1 overall at 6.1 ypc).  Huzzah to his durability and consistent production over that many carries, that IS remarkable, but I tend to think he's going to pay the price for this in the next 1-3 years.

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There is no modern day version of Jim Brown.

Jim Brown was so far ahead of his time and a revolutionary player.   He was almost literally a man among boys.   

Derrick Henry is a specimen....but not exactly revolutionary or a talent we have never seen before.

I understand the direct player comparison....but what made Jim Brown EXTRA special was the fact that he on a different level than almost every player in his league.

That being said, if prime Jim Brown played in todays league, I imagine he'd look alot like Derrick Henry.

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Just now, Heinz D. said:

Brown to Henry is a very good comparison...even though Brown is the GOAT. Maybe at ANY position.

I'd love it if Henry wins MVP. With the OP on this one. Tired of QBs winning every year. 'Cause that's just stupid. 

While I would like to see another position win...I certainly wouldnt call it stupid.   Most teams only go as far as their respective QBs take them.

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1 minute ago, 43M said:

While I would like to see another position win...I certainly wouldnt call it stupid.   Most teams only go as far as their respective QBs take them.

I get your point...but it's become such a pass-heavy league, with the rules slanted so far towards the QBs...I think the league would benefit from a more broad-minded appraisal of MVP. Let's be real, it wouldn't really change anything, substantially. If Miles Garrett gets 20 sacks--make him the MVP. Why not? 

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1 hour ago, Heinz D. said:

I get your point...but it's become such a pass-heavy league, with the rules slanted so far towards the QBs...I think the league would benefit from a more broad-minded appraisal of MVP. Let's be real, it wouldn't really change anything, substantially. If Miles Garrett gets 20 sacks--make him the MVP. Why not? 

Meh. If Miles Garrett gets 26 sacks, yet Mahomes finishes with 60 TDs, I’d give it to Mahomes, or Allen, or Brady, or Jackson, etc.

JMO.

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2 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said:

Meh. If Miles Garrett gets 26 sacks, yet Mahomes finishes with 60 TDs, no give it to Mahomes, or Allen, or Brady, or Jackson, etc.

JMO.

Yeah...it's such a weird topic/argument. Realistically, right now, 26 sacks is by far the more impressive accomplishment than 60 TDs. 

It's hard to parse just what is what, and who should get rewarded for what. But...I still think the league should take a more leveled approach to MVP...and not just give it to a QB every year. That would almost certainly be beneficial to the league, as a whole. 

Give it to a WR! Whowouldathunkit!!!!

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In terms of the question, I think both RB are very comparable. Though I think Henry is better than Jim Brown. Just like I think Campbell was better than Jim Brown.

Brown IMO is sort of overrated because he played in a league without the requisite talent/athleticism to stop him. Just like no one considers the GOAT QBs from that generation as legitimate GOAT QB options, neither do I consider Brown to be that dude.

Conversely had Brown had access to the modern day sports medicine, I’d imagine he’d be a top caliber back in the league. In terms of style however, I do think Henry is comparable to Brown.

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4 minutes ago, Heinz D. said:

Yeah...it's such a weird topic/argument. Realistically, right now, 26 sacks is by far the more impressive accomplishment than 60 TDs. 

It's hard to parse just what is what, and who should get rewarded for what. But...I still think the league should take a more leveled approach to MVP...and not just give it to a QB every year. That would almost certainly be beneficial to the league, as a whole. 

Give it to a WR! Whowouldathunkit!!!!

I just think the QBs are the stars that drive the league now. They’re the position group, of the skill positions, to be the least likely to go down with an injury. They’re likely to have the longest pro career.

So I disagree that it would be better for the league to spread the love with the MVP award. You want your top stars front and center to win the award. I think that does more for revenue and popularity of the league.

So I think I’d simply keep the MVP more of a QB award, while OPOY becomes mainly a skill position award. DPOY remains the same. Then I’d simply add something like a Trenches award for the most dominant OL/DL in the NFL. Would allow the OL to get in on the action a little. Would be limited only to DT and OL so a guy like Myles Garrett wouldn’t qualify. Obviously Watt and Donald would’ve dominated, yet perhaps an Orlando Pace or Ogden might’ve had a shot at winning the award at some point in the past.

I think some acknowledgment for the trench work could certainly benefit the league as well.

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Someone mentioned Wilt earlier and I think he is a good comparison for Jim Brown.

Wilt averaged 30 and 22 for his career including 50.4 and 25.7 in year 3.

In his first 7 years he averaged 39.6 and 24.8

Later in his career he was challenged to be more of a team player and his assists went way up.

He led the league in assists in 67-68  (total assists, not per game)

He was just a giant among men.

Russell was the 2nd best center of the era at 6'10" 215. Wilt was 7'1" 275

This picture says it all on just how big Wilt was:

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Some people like to take shots at him because he did not beat the All-Star HoF roster team in Boston enough.

This is like saying Ray Lewis did not win enough Super Bowls. 🤡

 

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Henry isn't anywhere near as agile or adaptable as Jim Brown.

As others have mentioned, the league doesn't care about stopping the run these days. This is equivalent to raving about some NBA player who repeatedly sunk 3-point distance shots before there was a 3 point line. Be my guest. Fire away from out there all you want.

All time running backs show it early. The raves are immediate. It's not 4th year in the league before your own team decides you need the ball. 

 

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