TXsteeler Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Correct me if I’m wrong, but the MVP hasn’t been won by anyone but a QB or a RB since 1986. It’s always either the QB with the most stats or the RB if they have a record year and no qbs are anything special. At this point, what’s even the point of the award? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 If he runs for 3k yards he still wouldn't be the most valuable player in the league. He would be the most special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, TXsteeler said: Correct me if I’m wrong, but the MVP hasn’t been won by anyone but a QB or a RB since 1986. It’s always either the QB with the most stats or the RB if they have a record year and no qbs are anything special. At this point, what’s even the point of the award? to award the best QB on a playoff team, pretty much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fray32 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 10/19/2021 at 1:59 PM, biggie. said: TEN would collapse harder without Henry. TEN is a #3/#4 seed and a fringe Super bowl contender (to use DK sportsbook, #11 in implied probability to win it all). Tampa is the reigning super bowl champion, and also the #1 super bowl contender in the NFC. Tampa has *much* further to fall without old man Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 3 hours ago, TXsteeler said: Correct me if I’m wrong, but the MVP hasn’t been won by anyone but a QB or a RB since 1986. It’s always either the QB with the most stats or the RB if they have a record year and no qbs are anything special. At this point, what’s even the point of the award? It's just a stupid legacy thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 MVP is a dumb award if only QBs are eligible. And if Henry gets 2000 yards again (not to mention potentially breaking the season rushing record), he's had the best two years of any RB in the history of the position. If back to back years of the best season performances by a player in the position, ever, isn't MVP worthy, then just rename the award to MVQ. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Everyone seems so worried about Henry winning a League MVP , Henry himself shouldn't want it. Let Brady or Murray have it. Last League MVP to Win the SB in the same season was two decades ago in Kurt Warner. Continue the trend and hope for SB MVP instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I take back everything I've said. Derrick Henry 4 MVP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel said: MVP is a dumb award if only QBs are eligible. And if Henry gets 2000 yards again (not to mention potentially breaking the season rushing record), he's had the best two years of any RB in the history of the position. If back to back years of the best season performances by a player in the position, ever, isn't MVP worthy, then just rename the award to MVQ. You can think the award stale, but if you are actually awarding the most valuable player in the league then it will almost undeniably always be a quarterback, by far the most impactful position in the NFL. If you want a most outstanding player award to award someone like Henry who separates from their peers more so than any QB, then I could get behind that. Arguably, he might even lose that to Trevon Diggs though if he somehow kept up this insane interception rate. I'd also be looking more at scrimmage yards than just rushing yards if we were looking at a MOP award as well. Edited October 21, 2021 by THE DUKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: I'd also be looking more at scrimmage yards than just rushing yards if we were looking at a MOP award as well. good thing he's on pace to break that record too, then lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, -Hope- said: good thing he's on pace to break that record too, then lol Then you get into the shenanigans of he'd break it in that 17th game, he'd still be short of the record after 16 games. Although in the 17 game season he would break it by about 100 yards on the current pace. I'm largely playing devil's advocate here, not trying to say what he's doing isn't great. On pace for 504 touches, that HAS to be a record. Looked it up and while it would be the record, not by as much as I thought, the current records is 492 touches by James Wilder in 1984. Larry Johnson's 2006 is 2nd with 457. NFL Touches Single-Season Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com Edited October 21, 2021 by THE DUKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: Then you get into the shenanigans of he'd break it in that 17th game, he'd still be short of the record after 16 games. Although in the 17 game season he would break it by about 100 yards on the current pace. I'm largely playing devil's advocate here, not trying to say what he's doing isn't great. On pace for 504 touches, that HAS to be a record. Looked it up and while it would be the record, not by as much as I thought, the current records is 492 touches by James Wilder in 1984. Larry Johnson's 2006 is 2nd with 457. NFL Touches Single-Season Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com See, this is the problem. Because even saying "Oh, he's a great running back" is coming waaaay short. He's literally on pace to do like five historic things in the same season and immediately put himself among the greatest--ever--at his position. For what he's on pace for, he's going to break the all time rushing record, break the all time yardage record, break the all time TD record, be the only player ever to have two 2000 yard seasons, be the first player since 1993 to lead the NFL in rushing three years straight (and the fourth ever), and last but not least, have more yards after first contact than any other player has rushing yards for the second year in a row. That's arguably the greatest RB season in NFL history, and we're saying he doesn't deserve MVP because four QBs will throw for 5000 yards again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Daniel said: See, this is the problem. Because even saying "Oh, he's a great running back" is coming waaaay short. He's literally on pace to do like five historic things in the same season and immediately put himself among the greatest--ever--at his position. For what he's on pace for, he's going to break the all time rushing record, break the all time yardage record, break the all time TD record, be the only player ever to have two 2000 yard seasons, be the first player since 1993 to lead the NFL in rushing three years straight (and the fourth ever), and last but not least, have more yards after first contact than any other player has rushing yards for the second year in a row. That's arguably the greatest RB season in NFL history, and we're saying he doesn't deserve MVP because four QBs will throw for 5000 yards again. He's also only just over a third of the way into the season. Hold this pace the next 5-6 games and then i'll take it a little more seriously. All it takes is 1 or 2 down games and these projections go poof. If he goes out and rushes 23 times for 65 yards next week with a fumble and the numbers change a lot. It's still way too early in the season to throw around GOAT season talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Daniel said: That's arguably the greatest RB season in NFL history, and we're saying he doesn't deserve MVP because four QBs will throw for 5000 yards again. I agree with you, and I point to JJ Watt in 2014. He had the DL equivalent of what Henry is doing now ...and still lost out to Aaron Rodgers for MVP. Brace yourself, that's all I can suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, ET80 said: I agree with you, and I point to JJ Watt in 2014. He had the DL equivalent of what Henry is doing now ...and still lost out to Aaron Rodgers for MVP. Brace yourself, that's all I can suggest. And Watt should have won that year. I've been on the MVP should be best overall player, not "the rules have been rewritten so that the game is QB-centric now." If we take it literally, then the MVP could be a good QB on a bad team keeping them barely afloat. But we don't put them in the conversation, because that's dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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