broncos67 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, AnAngryAmerican said: My beat reporter friend told me somethings along the lines of what Allbright has been saying that, should a coaching change me made after the season, he expects Paton to go for a veteran with prior HCing experience to be a CEO type and pair him with a Shanahan tree OC. He added the caveat that a new owner could change that, but it’s what things look like right now knowing what he knows about how Paton operates. If that meant, for example, Dan Quinn and a moderately exciting OC, I don't think I'd hate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, broncos67 said: If that meant, for example, Dan Quinn and a moderately exciting OC, I don't think I'd hate that. I agree. I think Dan Quinn will get some looks. As will Dennis Allen, Todd Bowles, Raheem Morris and Leslie Frazier. Just off the top of my head. Two coaches who fit the bill as former-HCs, Mac and Vance, obviously will not be options given their prior tenures here were not exactly well received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_is_the_best Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, broncos67 said: If that meant, for example, Dan Quinn and a moderately exciting OC, I don't think I'd hate that. Who fits the bill for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, AnAngryAmerican said: I agree. I think Dan Quinn will get some looks. As will Dennis Allen, Todd Bowles, Raheem Morris and Leslie Frazier. Just off the top of my head. Two coaches who fit the bill as former-HCs, Mac and Vance, obviously will not be options given their prior tenures here were not exactly well received. Can you kick the dust off of Jeff Fisher? My vote from the list above would be Dennis Allen so he can exact revenge on the Raiders twice a year, and then Todd Bowles makes good sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 7 hours ago, AnAngryAmerican said: My beat reporter friend told me somethings along the lines of what Allbright has been saying that, should a coaching change me made after the season, he expects Paton to go for a veteran with prior HCing experience to be a CEO type and pair him with a Shanahan tree OC. He added the caveat that a new owner could change that, but it’s what things look like right now knowing what he knows about how Paton operates. I think thats what he thought he'd be getting in Shurmer. He's got to be furious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, AKRNA said: I think thats what he thought he'd be getting in Shurmer. He's got to be furious. Who thought what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, AnAngryAmerican said: Who thought what? Paton thought Shurmer would deliver an old school WCO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, AKRNA said: Paton thought Shurmer would deliver an old school WCO. But Paton didn’t hire Shurmur. He retained him. Vic hired Shurmur, obviously with the blessing of Elway/Ellis, before Paton was hired after Vic and Scangarello proved unable to work together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, AnAngryAmerican said: My beat reporter friend told me somethings along the lines of what Allbright has been saying that, should a coaching change me made after the season, he expects Paton to go for a veteran with prior HCing experience to be a CEO type and pair him with a Shanahan tree OC. He added the caveat that a new owner could change that, but it’s what things look like right now knowing what he knows about how Paton operates. Correct me if my memory is wrong here, but back when we first hired Fangio, wasn’t there pretty serious discussion of brining Kubiak back to run the offensive half of the team? Almost like an assistant head coach role? But they decided not to because they were worried that it might create a power struggle with their rookie head coach. I swear that was a thing. Maybe Kubs would be willing to come back as OC with a different HC in place? I don’t think he’d have any interest in the head coaching job, for health reasons if nothing else. But if he was willing to run the offense 2-3 seasons ago, I don’t see why he wouldn’t still be now. Edited November 17, 2021 by 1234567 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, AnAngryAmerican said: But Paton didn’t hire Shurmur. He retained him. Vic hired Shurmur, obviously with the blessing of Elway/Ellis, before Paton was hired after Vic and Scangarello proved unable to work together. I'm aware of that. The only point I'm making is he thought Shurmer could deliver a WCO. He was wrong. That's one change that will definitely be made this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, 1234567 said: Correct me if my memory is wrong here, but back when we first hired Fangio, wasn’t there pretty serious discussion of brining Kubiak back to run the offensive half of the team? Almost like an assistant head coach role? But they decided not to because they were worried that it might create a power struggle with their rookie head coach. I swear that was a thing. Maybe Kubs would be willing to come back as OC with a different HC in place? I don’t think he’d have any interest in the head coaching job, for health reasons if nothing else. But if he was willing to run the offense 2-3 seasons ago, I don’t see why he wouldn’t still be now. If I’m not mistaken Kubiak wanted Dennison as OL coach but Elway decided to hire Munchak (who clearly indicated he wanted to be in Denver in any capacity) and Kubes walked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) I’m sure that’s correct because Kubiak was already back in Denver working on the FO during Vance Joseph’s ill-fated second and final year as HC, and there was talk of him moving back to the coaching side. To be honest we should have never fired Kubiak as HC. In two years he got us a SB ring and then narrowly missed the playoffs in year 2. That’s an excellent record. Edited November 17, 2021 by paul-mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Kubiak wasn’t fired he resigned due to his health issues. He’s a bit like Urban Meyer in that regard, he needed a break and even though he would’ve been miles better than VJ and Fangio it was definitely in his best interest to step down and look after himself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 12 hours ago, 1234567 said: Correct me if my memory is wrong here, but back when we first hired Fangio, wasn’t there pretty serious discussion of brining Kubiak back to run the offensive half of the team? Almost like an assistant head coach role? But they decided not to because they were worried that it might create a power struggle with their rookie head coach. I swear that was a thing. Maybe Kubs would be willing to come back as OC with a different HC in place? I don’t think he’d have any interest in the head coaching job, for health reasons if nothing else. But if he was willing to run the offense 2-3 seasons ago, I don’t see why he wouldn’t still be now. That's half right. The Trust (i.e. Ellis) wanted Kubiak to be OC and, as you say, almost a Co-HC, which Vic the HC handling the media responsibilities, going to league meetings, smoozing corporate sponsors, etc. The problem was Kubiak wanted to bring back Dennison, Pariani, et. al., and Elway wanted a younger, more forward-thinking lot of positional coaches so it fell apart. That's when they hired Scangarello. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 9 hours ago, paul-mac said: To be honest we should have never fired Kubiak as HC. In two years he got us a SB ring and then narrowly missed the playoffs in year 2. That’s an excellent record. Kubiak wasn't fired - he retired as HC on health grounds/advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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