Tk3 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 13 hours ago, Danger said: What's weird to me is that there are no players who I feel are no absolute without a doubt players for it this year. yeah, its a weaker class for sure But next year has Joe Thomas and Darrelle Revis. The following has Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. So those ones will at least have a couple easy choices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Every single player who is ahead of Ware and Jared Allen on the all time sack list is either in or not eligible yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Would be cool to add an expansion heavy class. Tony Boselli + Andre Johnson + Steve Smith, then I'd pair this expansion offensive trio with Jared Allen and Demarcus Ware. Realistically I think Steve Smith waits, and the Panther's get their HOFer with Peppers later. I think Vince would be a good replacement for Steve Smith, but I think the expansion trio would be really cool to make a less exciting class more exciting. Edited November 25, 2021 by Trojan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 The case for Leroy Butler is pretty simple - 4x All Pro, made the 90s All-Decade team over contemporaries like John Lynch, Tim McDonald, Darren Woodson, and Merton Hanks. More ints than any of those guys (plus contemporararies/fellow All-90s safety Steve Atwater and Carnell Lake). Career #s are comparable to HOFer Brian Dawkins who played 5 yrs longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Nice to see Eric Allen in there again, I don't think he'll get it with the guys that started playing in the late 90s to mid 2000s all starting to get added. But a great player for one of the greatest defenses of all time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/25/2021 at 12:25 PM, SBLIII said: would be funny if they don't and in the end the Patriots won 6 Super Bowls in 18 years with just 3 HOFers. Seymour, Wilfork and Rodney Harrison should already be in but I can see them getting screwed. Seymour I agree is HoF. Harrison isn't. He was a good player but not HoF. Wilfork isn't eligible yet so saying he should be in by now doesn't make sense. He'll be an interesting case study. Culp finally got in a few years ago as the first true NT. But the importance wasn't understood til recently with Wilfork and Hampton. I think he makes it in but obviously can't be in yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 6 hours ago, mse326 said: Seymour I agree is HoF. Harrison isn't. He was a good player but not HoF. Wilfork isn't eligible yet so saying he should be in by now doesn't make sense. He'll be an interesting case study. Culp finally got in a few years ago as the first true NT. But the importance wasn't understood til recently with Wilfork and Hampton. I think he makes it in but obviously can't be in yet. Rodney Harrison is one of two players in the history of the NFL to have at least 30 INTs and 30 sacks in his career. He isn't even close to first ballot but I still think he deserves consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 22 hours ago, Kiltman said: Nice to see Eric Allen in there again, I don't think he'll get it with the guys that started playing in the late 90s to mid 2000s all starting to get added. But a great player for one of the greatest defenses of all time. If Eric Allen didn't play for the Saints who were the NFL's doormat in the 1990's he'd have gotten more love. Saints weren't on television a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Too many wr and with a 17 game season a lot of these guys will fall back in the shallow Boselli was great he deserves to be in and Holtz was part of a great passing gane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Sam Mills isn't in there? That is just sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/25/2021 at 11:31 AM, ChazStandard said: Ware, Holt, Hester, Barber, Wilfork is a class I could live with, in the fact the first one in a while I would say doesn't have a glaring omission or a "WTF" pick. Wilfork over Seymour? Honest question, as a Pats fan I imagine you would have a better memory of who was the greater impact player. From the accolades it was Seymour, but I remember Wilfork’s impact more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: Wilfork over Seymour? Honest question, as a Pats fan I imagine you would have a better memory of who was the greater impact player. From the accolades it was Seymour, but I remember Wilfork’s impact more. Wilfork is a personal preference, I just liked more as a presence on the team. Plus most of Seymours career was before my time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: Wilfork over Seymour? Honest question, as a Pats fan I imagine you would have a better memory of who was the greater impact player. From the accolades it was Seymour, but I remember Wilfork’s impact more. Its Seymour hands down. Best DE in the BB era and its not close IMO 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 8:26 PM, Danger said: What's weird to me is that there are no players who I feel are no absolute without a doubt players for it this year. If I'm naming 5 from that list. LB Patrick Willis WR Steve Smith WR Andre Johnson LB DeMarcus Ware KR Devin Hester Hester deserves to go in - few were as prolific and brought attention to the return game as him outside of guys who are already in the HOF (i.e. Deion). That said, I can see them making him wait a year or two because he didn't make even a pitter of a contribution in any non-returner capacity; it's a dumb argument, but given the names coming up for candidacy it won't be surprising. There's a solid case to be made for Willie Anderson too, but they just did multiple OL inductions this past year, I believe, so I can see them slow-playing that as well because it's not a "sexy position." A case can definitely be made that Seymour is as deserving as Ware is (both deserve to be in, but I'm not sure both go in the same year). And LeRoy Butler is going to get in, for a number of reasons, it's really just a matter of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Andre Johnson, Tony Boselli, Devin Hester. I could make a legit case for all of them but Andre is the only one who should be a lock IMO. An argument could be made against the other two. Boselli should get in and has waited a long time as sort of a penalty for lack of longevity, but has he waited long enough? I'd say yes, but it's not up to me. Is being a returner enough to warrant a first ballot? I'd say yes, but...you know. You could make a legit case for both Seymour and Willis. Gun to my head and you would probably have to shoot me. Willis was the better player but he doesn't have the longevity that Seymour has. Torry Holt should be in since Bruce already made it. Steve Smith was a very good WR who hovered around the top 5-6 range consistently year in, year out but he's never been considered the best. He's def a HoF player but making him a first ballot would be an injustice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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