LeotheLion Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said: It always does. But overall, I agree that through 12 weeks, we would be right around the same with Goff record wise. But looking ahead, I feel we would be worse given then state of our defense, Robert Woods injury, Whit really showing his age, and inability to generate explosive plays. The only way we wouldn't be worse is if Stafford's injuries are the crux for why his last 3 games have been so bad and if those injuries aren't likely to get better. If that is the case, I think we are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDY10 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Do we have a thread for other things that aren’t game related?? Anyone see about Otis Anderson JR?? That’s some sad stuff. Apparently he was killed by his father. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, MDY10 said: Do we have a thread for other things that aren’t game related?? Anyone see about Otis Anderson JR?? That’s some sad stuff. Apparently he was killed by his father. Absolutely tragic. It's tough to know what to say in these situations but I'm a bit surprised the Rams haven't released anything in regards to it. Though, I'm sure McVay opens up his next presser with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 17 hours ago, rocky_rams said: You’re exaggerating a bit much. A 7-4 record with your QB rated as a top 7-8 in the league isn’t a disaster youve been on the sky is falling type hype since we traded for Stafford. Starting to sound a bit like Flounch in regards to this Right now, the trade seems like an overreach on the Rams end, a disaster it is certainly not, yet. Not to mention Vegas still have the Rams odds at the Superbowl as 3rd best only behind the Bills and Bucs. Even when the Rams were having their issues back in 2018 late in the season Vegas told you what they still thought about the Rams. Fans and even the media overreact to things quickly. Yes a three game losing streak is bad but look at the circumstances. These arent excuses but circumstances. 1) Stafford didnt practice all week leading up the Titans game with a back injury if Im not mistaken. We have seen Dak go the entire week without practicing and had his worst game of his career against the Broncos and the team got beat down worst than the Rams. If you dont practice all week long against a Vrebal tough coached team you more than likely will struggle. That game had nothing to do with the Titans offense looking great bc it didnt. I had everything with the Titans defense making the Rams offense look bad. 2) The Rams acquired OBJ the week leading up to the Niners game. They didnt think they would actually need him. The gameplan was to have Woods and this offense in its regular state. Woods goes down on Friday a few days before the game. Now the Rams have to scramble with OBJ and their 7th round rookie Skowronek who hasnt played real meaningful snaps in a game. OBJ and Skowronek looked like shouldnt have even been out their on MNF. I dont know what people expected. So the Niners plan was to take away Kupp as much as possible and let the others beat them. Are we shocked the Rams had the most drops (6) as theyve had in a long time? Im not. Plus the Niners were a desperate team at home. They havent won a home game in a very long time and they just needed a win period. Had they lost that game maybe their season is over. 3) This Packers game wasnt as bad as people are making it out to be. Ill still stand by that we went to Lambeau a place where the Packers defense has held all their opponents to 11ppg and we scored 28pts considering we turned the ball over 3 times, had tons of penalties missed that benefit the Packers, and we missed a ton of opportunities ourselves to take the ball away from the Packers bc we didnt recover forced fumbles and didnt hold on to possible interceptions. And I know the Rams were upset how they played and that they loss but I promise you that these coaches and players are thinking if they play the Packers again in Lambeau they strongly feel like they can win next time. Just like I keep saying back in 2018 when they lost to the Saints in New Orleans where Brees threw for over 400yds and 4tds and they rushed for over 140yds and 2tds yet the Rams scored 35pts and hung around. Yes they lost by 10pts but Im sure they felt like if they got the Saints again in New Orleans they felt strongly the outcome would be different and guess what? It was different as the Rams won. Overall though if you told me the Rams would be (7-4) with a QB that is 3rd in the NFL is passing yards, 2nd in the NFL in passing tds, tied for 1st in the league in QBR, and yes he has the same amount of ints as Tom Brady which people are still saying is the fav to win MVP and the offense is scoring 28ppg and lead the NFL in yds per play and has a top 6 total offense then Ill take it. This is just a 3 game slump. Name me one team outside of the Packers and Cards that havent been through or isnt going through a multi game slump in this season? Its just the Rams are in a current one but I trust this coaching staff and players to figure it out bc we have that type of locker room to grind and work hard regardless if they are winning or losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 14 hours ago, stl4life07 said: Not to mention Vegas still have the Rams odds at the Superbowl as 3rd best only behind the Bills and Bucs. Even when the Rams were having their issues back in 2018 late in the season Vegas told you what they still thought about the Rams. Fans and even the media overreact to things quickly. This is insane to me and pisses me off cause i wanted to hammer the Rams Superbowl assuming it was going to jump, but it didn't budge much. Vegas/Sportsbooks are very good at not overreacting to weekly fluctuations. If theyre backing the Rams as a top 3 superbowl contender despite struggles, so will I. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, BStanRamFan said: This is insane to me and pisses me off cause i wanted to hammer the Rams Superbowl assuming it was going to jump, but it didn't budge much. Vegas/Sportsbooks are very good at not overreacting to weekly fluctuations. If theyre backing the Rams as a top 3 superbowl contender despite struggles, so will I. I think the reason why Vegas isnt overreacting bc they predicted the Rams to win about 12 games this season. Even if the Rams lose two more games this season which Im thinking Cards and Niners, they will be (11-6) which is about right where Vegas was predicting. So its not like Vegas thought the Rams were this juggernaut team that was going to go (14-2) and run through the NFC to the Superbowl. Rams started off as what with 5th or 6th best odds. The Niners and the Chiefs got off to horrible starts. The Packers had turmoil in the offseason, also got off to a horrible start Week 1 and have a ton of injuries so all of which pushed the Rams up. Even when the Rams acquired Von and OBJ their odds didnt move from 3. So again Vegas isnt overreacting bc have the Rams about right. Its the fans and media who overreact every single week and truly I dont know how people waste that much energy lol. Its going to be interesting to see if the odds change once the regular season ends and the playoffs start. We still have 6 games to go which is alot of games left to play so things can definitely change from here till the end of the regular season. Its going to be interesting. Edited December 1, 2021 by stl4life07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/2/22813161/matthew-stafford-los-angeles-rams-struggles Awesome read that gives alot of details about Stafford, McVay, and the offenses struggles. I think TOP and playing from behind have impacted alot of the scenarios that the author leaves out, which ties into the defense, but still a good read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/2/22813161/matthew-stafford-los-angeles-rams-struggles Awesome read that gives alot of details about Stafford, McVay, and the offenses struggles. I think TOP and playing from behind have impacted alot of the scenarios that the author leaves out, which ties into the defense, but still a good read. I thought it was a good article too. Though I thought the most ridiculous part was the tweet from the Eagles analytics guy acting like they stumped the Rams O. The Rams lost the 2017 while putting up 35 (granted I think there may have been a punt block TD in there). I don't think the offense was the issue that day. Not to say that there isn't truth to the Rams offense slowing down later in the year but I wouldn't be taking credit that the Eagles knew exactly what the Rams wanted to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOBSON10 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Stafford's biggest flaw has always been that he plays significantly worse when he's banged up, even if it's kinda minor... When he's 100% or mostly healthy, he's an MVP candidate type of player... Maybe it's something about his mechanics, that when something is bothering him it completely throws off his timing and accuracy... I can say as a Lions fan, almost every stretch of the season where he started to struggle, it coincided with him being banged up... The times where we started 6-2 then end the season 7-9, it's because the later the season goes, the more chance he gets banged up and the minute he's banged up his INT's shoot up and he struggles... In the last few seasons I'm sure if you did the research on his injury/health and Interceptions you'll see that most of them come while he's banged up and for the stretch that he's healthy he throws like 4, it's that stretch when he's banged up that he plies them up quick... So, to sum up, I'd actually consider sitting him against the 2-9 Jags, letting him heal up as much as possible for that extra week and then hope he gets healthier as the season goes... Healthy Stafford is dangerous on a team as talented as the Rams... Obviously the defense needs to get back on track too, but the #1 goal for McVay should be getting Stafford healthy for the stretch run into the Playoffs... Cuz if he's banged up, it's gonna be tough to get out of the 1st Round... Staff is feast or famine depending on his health... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, DOBSON10 said: Stafford's biggest flaw has always been that he plays significantly worse when he's banged up, even if it's kinda minor... When he's 100% or mostly healthy, he's an MVP candidate type of player... Maybe it's something about his mechanics, that when something is bothering him it completely throws off his timing and accuracy... I can say as a Lions fan, almost every stretch of the season where he started to struggle, it coincided with him being banged up... The times where we started 6-2 then end the season 7-9, it's because the later the season goes, the more chance he gets banged up and the minute he's banged up his INT's shoot up and he struggles... In the last few seasons I'm sure if you did the research on his injury/health and Interceptions you'll see that most of them come while he's banged up and for the stretch that he's healthy he throws like 4, it's that stretch when he's banged up that he plies them up quick... So, to sum up, I'd actually consider sitting him against the 2-9 Jags, letting him heal up as much as possible for that extra week and then hope he gets healthier as the season goes... Healthy Stafford is dangerous on a team as talented as the Rams... Obviously the defense needs to get back on track too, but the #1 goal for McVay should be getting Stafford healthy for the stretch run into the Playoffs... Cuz if he's banged up, it's gonna be tough to get out of the 1st Round... Staff is feast or famine depending on his health... He just came off of a bye. I'm not sure a week off is doing much for him. The Titans game went sideways on a play not related to any injury. Stafford is clearly playing hurt to a degree, but it doesn't come close to explaining everything. He has been missing throws off and on all season. The only difference then is it didn't matter because he was making it up later on the drives/on 3rd downs and his erratic throws weren't intercepted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, LeotheLion said: He just came off of a bye. I'm not sure a week off is doing much for him. The Titans game went sideways on a play not related to any injury. Stafford is clearly playing hurt to a degree, but it doesn't come close to explaining everything. He has been missing throws off and on all season. The only difference then is it didn't matter because he was making it up later on the drives/on 3rd downs and his erratic throws weren't intercepted. Yeah, I was about to say that he just had a week off and still didn't seem healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVRamsFan Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 So much for a suspension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) On 12/2/2021 at 3:27 PM, DOBSON10 said: Stafford's biggest flaw has always been that he plays significantly worse when he's banged up, even if it's kinda minor... When he's 100% or mostly healthy, he's an MVP candidate type of player... Maybe it's something about his mechanics, that when something is bothering him it completely throws off his timing and accuracy... I can say as a Lions fan, almost every stretch of the season where he started to struggle, it coincided with him being banged up... The times where we started 6-2 then end the season 7-9, it's because the later the season goes, the more chance he gets banged up and the minute he's banged up his INT's shoot up and he struggles... In the last few seasons I'm sure if you did the research on his injury/health and Interceptions you'll see that most of them come while he's banged up and for the stretch that he's healthy he throws like 4, it's that stretch when he's banged up that he plies them up quick... So, to sum up, I'd actually consider sitting him against the 2-9 Jags, letting him heal up as much as possible for that extra week and then hope he gets healthier as the season goes... Healthy Stafford is dangerous on a team as talented as the Rams... Obviously the defense needs to get back on track too, but the #1 goal for McVay should be getting Stafford healthy for the stretch run into the Playoffs... Cuz if he's banged up, it's gonna be tough to get out of the 1st Round... Staff is feast or famine depending on his health... I actually wouldnt be shocked if McVay does rest his starters Week 17 and/or Week 18 to get them healthy and ready for the playoffs. The Rams will make the playoffs its just a matter of the seeding. My thinking is McVay isnt going to value the 5th, 6th, or 7th seeds to the point where he is fighting to get one more than the other. So that would definitely be smart to rest Stafford and guys like OBJ and Henderson at the end of the season. I wouldnt rest Stafford against the Jags. He and this team as a whole need to get that bad taste of losing out of their mouth and put together a great game. If they do so then they have a big matchup against the Cards next week on MNF. If the Rams lose that game then its pretty much official the Rams arent winning the division. Then they have the Seahawks at home which they should win then the Vikings after that which I do see the Rams winning. So with 2 games to go I can see the Rams at (10-5) and again with 10 wins that locks them at worst the 7th seed but definitely in the playoffs so the Ravens and Niners could be the last two games Stafford sits out to get ready for whomever they have to play in the WC round. And I do agree a healthy Stafford is dangerous. His struggles literally came when he missed the entire week of practice leading up to the Titans game and he never was the same since. So he needs to get healthy and I think the second McVay realizes the Rams are a lock for the playoffs officially I think he will sit Stafford and I do think the Rams could lock up a playoff berth by the Ravens game and again dont be shocked if we see Wolford start against the Ravens and the Niners to wrap up the regular season. Edited December 5, 2021 by stl4life07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOBSON10 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 12/4/2021 at 7:45 PM, stl4life07 said: I actually wouldnt be shocked if McVay does rest his starters Week 17 and/or Week 18 to get them healthy and ready for the playoffs. The Rams will make the playoffs its just a matter of the seeding. My thinking is McVay isnt going to value the 5th, 6th, or 7th seeds to the point where he is fighting to get one more than the other. So that would definitely be smart to rest Stafford and guys like OBJ and Henderson at the end of the season. I wouldnt rest Stafford against the Jags. He and this team as a whole need to get that bad taste of losing out of their mouth and put together a great game. If they do so then they have a big matchup against the Cards next week on MNF. If the Rams lose that game then its pretty much official the Rams arent winning the division. Then they have the Seahawks at home which they should win then the Vikings after that which I do see the Rams winning. So with 2 games to go I can see the Rams at (10-5) and again with 10 wins that locks them at worst the 7th seed but definitely in the playoffs so the Ravens and Niners could be the last two games Stafford sits out to get ready for whomever they have to play in the WC round. And I do agree a healthy Stafford is dangerous. His struggles literally came when he missed the entire week of practice leading up to the Titans game and he never was the same since. So he needs to get healthy and I think the second McVay realizes the Rams are a lock for the playoffs officially I think he will sit Stafford and I do think the Rams could lock up a playoff berth by the Ravens game and again dont be shocked if we see Wolford start against the Ravens and the Niners to wrap up the regular season. Yeah, it would have been tough to do because of the Division race and the fact that you have a new offense in alot of ways with the Woods for Beckham trade off basically... Two very different guys route running wise... That said, I think Beckham and Stafford could mesh well one day if they both get healthy and get reps... They need all the time together they can get right now to get the offense rolling again... Jacksonville was a good practice game to get reps in as the new offense... Definitely agree they should rest some guys the last couple weeks, get Stafford, Beckham and some others as healthy as possible... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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