Let's Talk GM/Ryan Pace

[dll2000]

8 minutes ago, soulman said:

OK McD fans.  Suppose he does get hired to coach the Bears.  Then, two years from now Billy B has health issues and decides to hang it up.  Then suppose McD wants to return to NE to coach there and we'd right back in the market for a HC?  Can't happen?  What did he pull with Indy?  He agreed to take the job then reneged.  It's a short walk from their to breaching an actual contract and all the NFL will do is penalize NE by taking away a couple of high draft picks.  That's a small price to pay if Kraft wants McD back.

In that scenario NE would have to ask permission to talk to a coach under contract and would have to offer compensation like Tampa had to do with Gruden.   Tampa gave up 2 1s and 2 2s. 

Bears would have to agree.  Seems like a win/win to me.  

[dll2000]

I mean win win because they don’t have to agree, and if they aren’t happy with McDaniels they still walk away with some nice assets.

[G08]

19 minutes ago, soulman said:

OK McD fans.  Suppose he does get hired to coach the Bears.  Then, two years from now Billy B has health issues and decides to hang it up.  Then suppose McD wants to return to NE to coach there and we'd right back in the market for a HC?  Can't happen?  What did he pull with Indy?  He agreed to take the job then reneged.  It's a short walk from their to breaching an actual contract and all the NFL will do is penalize NE by taking away a couple of high draft picks.  That's a small price to pay if Kraft wants McD back.

He reneged with Indy because -- and I'm of the opinion this should have been figured out first -- Ballard and McDaniels had very different views on how certain operations should be run like nutrition, weight training etc.

This is where Pace craving collaboration will be a benefit for someone like McDaniels. He basically has the final say but let's the head coach make the decisions.

Did you know Nagy had input and say on every single player we've drafted/brought in via FA? I understand asking for an opinion but Pace gave him power he didn't need to.

[Sugashane]

7 hours ago, dll2000 said:

In that scenario NE would have to ask permission to talk to a coach under contract and would have to offer compensation like Tampa had to do with Gruden.   Tampa gave up 2 1s and 2 2s. 

Bears would have to agree.  Seems like a win/win to me.  

Yep, plus if he wants to take anyone with him there has to be a clear upgraded position - as a side note if you are taking a QB coach to be your OC and NOT promoting from within they have to have playcalling duties. McDaniels is too good of a playcaller to just give that up. Can't just take a DC and name him DC/Ast HC. Cant take the ST coord and just call him an Ast HC either. So he would have to hire his own OC, could take a position coach as the DC but if Mayo is still there he likely is a shoe in for the next DC opening, etc.

If we had McDaniels for 4-5 years then we could already know if Fields is the guy and then he will be on his second contract if so and developed, so there is no real downside. Could literally promote the OC to HC and QB coach or OL coach to OC if either has excelled to prevent them from promoting elsewhere and then we can keep familiarity in the systems for our team too. Win win. (especially if we have a GM that can regularly draft well in the top 2 rounds  lol)

 

Once the contract is signed you can't just walk away and breach it. Even if you retire for a few years your contract doesn't age unless you were an active player or coach in the season. That is why even today if Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson un-retired they would immediately be back on the Lions and resuming the contract - absurd as the scenario sounds. The teams own their rights if they aren't retired.

[soulman]

7 hours ago, G08 said:

He reneged with Indy because -- and I'm of the opinion this should have been figured out first -- Ballard and McDaniels had very different views on how certain operations should be run like nutrition, weight training etc.

This is where Pace craving collaboration will be a benefit for someone like McDaniels. He basically has the final say but let's the head coach make the decisions.

Did you know Nagy had input and say on every single player we've drafted/brought in via FA? I understand asking for an opinion but Pace gave him power he didn't need to.

So Robert Kraft offering to pay him a HC salary had nothing to do with it all all eh?  Let's not be naive OK?

And you believe that the same thing couldn't possibly happen here especially since we're a losing team with many injuries?

Where has it ever been said that Pace "craves" collaboration?  We never even heard that word used 'til GMcC spoke it last winter in his post season presser.  I can imagine Pace welcoming creative collaboration yet what you've posted about Ballard and McD points to just the opposite.  IMHO this is who Josh McDaniels is and always will be.  He would prefer to be his own GM.

I think it only makes sense for a GM to consult with his HC on personnel matters because he wants those players he's signed and drafted to be production in that HC system.  Plus player personnel then become a shared responsibility and the GM is not solely on the hook for his decisions.  But input isn't power.  The final decision would typically be Pace's as the GM.

[soulman]

8 hours ago, dll2000 said:

In that scenario NE would have to ask permission to talk to a coach under contract and would have to offer compensation like Tampa had to do with Gruden.   Tampa gave up 2 1s and 2 2s. 

Bears would have to agree.  Seems like a win/win to me.  

I'm not denying that part.  What we can probably agree on though is there would not be an agreement by the Bears and what would happen more than likely is NE would be charged with tampering.  How that would play out in terms of fines and/or lost picks we can't say but Bob Kraft is one of those owners who seems to have managed more favorable outcomes from the NFL than others.

It's strictly a hypothetical I know but it leaves me wondering why we would want to hire a HC who seems so badly to want to remain in NE and become the HC there?  I'm not debating McD's qualifications for the job as much as I am not finding him to be an ideal prospect to take over coaching a team with a front office as weak as ours.  He will look to undermine Pace.  Count on it.

[soulman]

26 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

Once the contract is signed you can't just walk away and breach it. Even if you retire for a few years your contract doesn't age unless you were an active player or coach in the season. That is why even today if Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson un-retired they would immediately be back on the Lions and resuming the contract - absurd as the scenario sounds. The teams own their rights if they aren't retired.

Under normal circumstances a person can't just walk away from a valid contract yet it's done far more frequently than you think. More typically what happens then is the parties try to settle out of court to avoid a lengthy and expensive trial but the contract is still breached and the party walks.  Besides, why keep someone around who doesn't want the job any longer?

Player contracts are governed by the CBA.  Coaching contracts are not.  Different rules.

[Sugashane]

11 minutes ago, soulman said:

So Robert Kraft offering to pay him a HC salary had nothing to do with it all all eh?  Let's not be naive OK?

Where has it ever been said that Pace "craves" collaboration?  We never even heard that word used 'til GMcC spoke it last winter in his post season presser.  I can imagine Pace welcoming creative collaboration yet what you've posted about Ballard and McD points to just the opposite.  IMHO this is who Josh McDaniels is and always will be.  He would prefer to be his own GM.

I think it only makes sense for a GM to consult with his HC on personnel matters because he wants those players he's signed and drafted to be production in that HC system.  Plus player personnel then become a shared responsibility and the GM is not solely on the hook for his decisions.  But input isn't power.  The final decision would typically be Pace's as the GM.

Where did you get that info (genuinely asking, I haven't seen what his rumored deal was for)? From what I have seen Josh makes about $4 mil per year in NE, which Nagy reportedly (not sure on accuracy) makes about $7 mil. So if IND was stupid enough to offer less than $4 mil then they would deserve to be stood up IMO. I don't see how Ballard would ever be that cheap. Reich makes about $4.5 mil and was the back up choice so if Ballard really did offer McDaniels less then he is a fool.

My input on collaboration is this - “They have never dedicated a monument to a committee.”  You need the GM to either have the final say or you need the coach to and the GM is a glorified scout or whatever. I think there is too much overlap in Halas Hall, especially when GMcC and Phillips aren't even football guys to begin with. Let the football guys run the football ops (and really I question Nagy qualifying much on this since he can't even decide on what his offense needs) and let the accountants in FO work on the business side with deals like Arlington Heights, TV contracts, sponsors, upgrades to the stadium/facilities, etc. Coaches should have input but the GM is the one who needs to have the final say if he is going to be more than a glorified scout. You're essentially the CEO of the business, own decisions and delegate smaller tasks as needed. We need a coach and GM that can sack up and actually own the football program.

I can also say this, in the sanitation company I worked for whenever I promoted a Supervisor, General Foreman, Assistant Site Manager, or Site Manager I never wanted them to be people who would share blame. You own the area, you have workers under you, over see their tasks and stick to the timelines I gave you. If my process fails then I'll adjust it, if you fail to stick to it then you're the one that failed. Supervisors owned 1-2 rooms each, they answered to the 2 General Foreman (one kill side on cut side) and the ASM worked with the Site Manager to ensure every member of management was doing their jobs and all safety rules were being followed. I didn't collaborate, I gave definitive roles and delegated them. I gave them roles to delegate for their hourly employees. I'd listen to opinions or ideas, but it was 100% my choice because I was going to be the one answering to my Area Manager if either of my sites had downtimes, OSHA recordable injuries, plant/equipment damages, etc. So when I walked in I checked to make sure all of the most dangerous equipment and lockboxes were correct, then I looked at where we were in the cleaning process. If we had an issue I'd get the Site and ASM there and tell them I need an explanation for any failures. If they had a reasonable excuse, fine. But if not I'd lay into them, then bring the Supervisor over and ask them the same. Caused a lot of uncomfortable situations the first 3 months but as I promoted and demoted/fired the plants got fixed. The previous people in my role avoided confrontation and wanted the "group effort" thing to work. It didn't. If no one will take the responsibility then no one will be held accountable IMO. This is how I think Nagy has been able to scapegoat Tru, Foles, and whoever. Halas Hall is a joke right now.

 

8 minutes ago, soulman said:

Under normal circumstances a person can't just walk away from a valid contract yet it's done far more frequently than you think. More typically what happens then is the parties try to settle out of court to avoid a lengthy and expensive trial but the contract is still breached and the party walks.  Besides, why keep someone around who doesn't want the job any longer?

Player contracts are governed by the CBA.  Coaching contracts are not.  Different rules.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/05/nfl-to-change-policy-on-coordinator-interviews

Coaches have the NFLCA and their contracts usually have fully guaranteed deals so either way it doesn't matter. If the ownership or GM can legally block the move a coach isn't going to retire and then get to just move over without compensation. That's a legal battle I don't believe I will ever see a franchise go through for a HC or GM. HOU wanted Caserio bad a while before this above rules were implemented and NE was fully within their rights to block it. If he could just walk away and then make $4+ million more, then why didn't he? The real legal system in the US is a joke at times, so I fully believe you with contract breaches outside the NFL, but the real power in the NFL lies with the owners. They aren't going to get crapped on by someone they are paying pennies to comparatively to what they make.

As to why keep someone around who doesn't want to be there. Same reason GB wasn't getting rid of Rodgers. You expect a certain output or benefit from the player/coach/GM. If they want to retire that isn't a breach of contract but if they still have to go out and perform if they want paid. If they thought they could get the compensation to make up for the dropoff with Love then they would have done it. But even with all the BS Rodgers isnt going to throw away a year of his contract or stats to get back at an organization over a squabble. If Roquan Smith suddenly said he wanted to be let go, I'm not releasing him. He can either play out the contract and 1-2 years on the franchise tag, let his agent find a deal that gets me enough that I feel its worth dropping him for, or retire. Those are the only 3 things I let him do.

[Sugashane]

56 minutes ago, soulman said:

I'm not denying that part.  What we can probably agree on though is there would not be an agreement by the Bears and what would happen more than likely is NE would be charged with tampering.  How that would play out in terms of fines and/or lost picks we can't say but Bob Kraft is one of those owners who seems to have managed more favorable outcomes from the NFL than others.

It's strictly a hypothetical I know but it leaves me wondering why we would want to hire a HC who seems so badly to want to remain in NE and become the HC there?  I'm not debating McD's qualifications for the job as much as I am not finding him to be an ideal prospect to take over coaching a team with a front office as weak as ours.  He will look to undermine Pace.  Count on it.

I'm definitely not going to argue that point. But I think Pace is a weak leader, so I'm not even sure that would be a bad thing. If the FO had the balls to refuse McDaniels to have GM level control then good, I'd be fine with Eliot Wolf or Ziegler or whoever taking their shot.

As I've said I'd rather either challenge for the Super Bowl or the top overall draft pick. Keep me away from constantly hovering around the .500 mark. Pace seems to be the exact level of mediocre to do the latter after he has been able to reshape the roster as he and his handpicked HC deemed fit.

[soulman]

17 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

Where did you get that info (genuinely asking, I haven't seen what his rumored deal was for)? From what I have seen Josh makes about $4 mil per year in NE, which Nagy reportedly (not sure on accuracy) makes about $7 mil. So if IND was stupid enough to offer less than $4 mil then they would deserve to be stood up IMO. I don't see how Ballard would ever be that cheap. Reich makes about $4.5 mil and was the back up choice so if Ballard really did offer McDaniels less then he is a fool.

Nagy's salary in this summary is listed at $100,000.  Why I can say but all of the others NFL HC are also listed.  My belief is that he's making somewhere between $4-$5 mil.  Based on where he's slotted that would make sense.

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NFL Head Coach Salary (How much they get paid)

Jenifar | March 24, 2021 | Money, NFL | 3 Comments

 

NFL, American National Football League the most popular sporting event in the country. The coaches are also the highest paid coaches in the USA. Every year a big amount of money pays them for their work. And the coaches are getting that for their own ability. If we analyze the top 10 highest earning coaches first the name which comes Bill Belichick. The New England Patriots are paid $12 million annually. Pete Carroll is the second name who earns an $11 million annual salary along with $22 million net worth.  With the $10 million annual salary Las Vegas Raiders Jon Gruden holding the third position. Sean Payton, the head coach of the New Orleans Saints, gets a $9.8 million salary per year. Here we are listing all 32 teams’ head coach salaries along with their net worth.

NFL Head Coach Salary 2021

Name	Team	Division	Annual Salary	Net worth
Bill Belichick	New England Patriots	AFC – East	$12 million	$35 million
Pete Carroll	Seattle Seahawks	NFC – West	$11 million	$22 million
Jon Gruden	Las Vegas Raiders	AFC- West	$10 million	$30 million
Sean Payton	New Orleans Saints	NFC – South	$9.8 million	$22 million
John Harbaugh	Baltimore Ravens	AFC – North	$9 million	$16 million
Matt Rhule	Carolina Panthers	NFC – South	$8.5 million	$5 million
Sean McVay	Los Angeles Rams	NFC – West	$8.5 million	$7 million
Mike Tomlin	Pittsburgh Steelers	AFC – North	$8 million	$20 million
Dan Quinn	Atlanta Falcons	NFC – South	$8 million	$3 million
Andy Reid	Kansas City Chiefs	AFC – West	$8 million	$25 million
Bruce Arians	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	NFC – South	$8 million	$10 million
Ron Rivera	Washington Redskins	NFC – East	$7 million	$10 million
Kliff Kingsbury	Arizona Cardinals	NFC – West	$5.5 million	$5 million
Bill O’Brien	Houston Texans	AFC – South	$5 million	$7 million
Joe Judge	New York Giants	AFC – East	$5 million	$20 million
Matt LaFleur	Green Bay Packers	NFC- North	$5 million	$7 million
Vic Fangio	Denver Broncos	AFC – West	$5 million	$4 million
Frank Reich	Indianapolis Colts	AFC – South	$4.5 million	$10 million
Doug Pederson	Philadelphia Eagles	NFC – East	$4 million	15 million
Mike McCarthy	Dallas Cowboys	NFC – East	$4 million	$9 million
Dan Quinn	Atlanta Falcons	NFC – South	$4.5 million	$3 million
Zac Taylor	Cincinnati Bengals	AFC – North	$4,500,000	$15 million
Matt Nagy	Chicago Bears	NFC – North	$100,000	$5 million
Mike Zimmer	Minnesota Vikings	NFC – North	$4, million	$6 million
Adam Gase	New York Jets	AFC – East	$5 million	$5 million
Mike Vrabel	Tennessee Titans	AFC – South	$3,025,000	$ 10 million
Anthony Lynn	Los Angeles Chargers	AFC – West	$4 million	$5 million
Matt Patricia	Detroit Lions	NFC – North	$4 million	$3 million
Doug Marrone	Jacksonville Jaguars	AFC – South	$3.3 million	$8 million
Kevin Stefanski	Cleveland Browns	AFC – North	$3,500,000	$2 million
Brian Flores	Miami Dolphins	AFC – East	$500000	under review
Kyle Shanahan	San Francisco 49ers	NFC – West	$3 million	$4 millio

1. Bill Belichick (New England Patriots)

Bill Belichick being the Head coach of New England Patriots. The 68 years old becomes a greatest coach of all-time. At present he Bill is the highest paid NFL coach so far. His annual salary is $12 million along with a net worth of $35million. It is really a high amount of money. Since the year 2002 to now he able to win 6 championship total. Belichick started his coaching career in the year 1975. In the year 2000 he join the New England Patriots. 

2. Pete Carroll (Seattle Seahawks)

Seattle Seahawk head coach Pete Carroll is also the highest paid NFL coach. He is someone the second most NFL coach who gets annual salary at $11 million along with $22 million net worth. Carroll is considered in the top ten ranking list. The 68 years old joined the side in the year 2010. Carroll being the only one of three football coaches who got the record of winning a Super Bowl winning the college football national championship. Pete is a very positive and energetic type of person and this personality makes a very positive impression to the team. 

3. Jon Gruden (Las Vegas Raiders)

Jon Gruden the full name Jon David Gruden being NFL head coach of Las Vegas Raiders. In his career first period he connected with the side from 1998 to 2001. After a long time in 2018 he again joined the side so far. He becomes the third most highest paid NFL head coach. His annual salary is $10 million along with $30 million. In his job career he had worked for ESPN as analyst commentators. His name counts as one of the most successful NFL coaches so far. 

4. Sean Payton (New Orleans Saints)

Sean Payton is the 4th most highest paid in NFL head coach list. Since 13 years he adopting the job. Payton leads a very successful coaching career. His current salary about $11 million per year. Sean get the estimated net worth about $22 million. Payton signed $45 million. In 2016 he signed a five years contract extension and the contract kept him with the team Saints till 2021. According to source the contract may extend more two years in future.  

5. John Harbaugh (Baltimore Ravens)

The other American football highest coach who has a net worth of $16 million net worth, is none other than  John Harbaugh. The annual salary of a 57 years old at $9 million. Harbaugh joined the Ravens in 2008. From then he got 128 wins in total including the playoffs. The guy is just awesome. His attitude and personality are really appreciable. In his twelve year coaching career with the team he has been very successful so far. He led only one losing year in his whole coaching career. 

6. Matt Rhule (Carolina Panthers)

Matt Rhule is another big hit name of American football. Before coaching he was a footballer. At present he is the head coach of  Carolina Panthers. This year his estimated net worth to be $5 million. The owner David Tepper gives a good amount of salary. His annual salary comes to $8.5 million. This season the coach joined the side by signing a seven years contract deal for $62 million. Last experience was not so good for Matt. In 2017 he got just one win, next year only 7 games. Last year the number increased by 11 games. 

7. Sean McVay (Los Angeles Rams)

One more highest paid American football coach is Sean McVay. The 32 years old earns $8.5 million as an annual salary. His estimated net worth is $7 million.  In his career first he worked as an assistant coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It was 2008, when he did the job and next year he worked as wide receivers coach in UFL for the club Florida Tuskers. He joined the Los Angeles Rams in 2017 as the team head coach. All of this he becomes the 7th most highest paid NFL coach so far. 

8. Mike Tomlin

Mike Tomlin is getting an $8 million salary annually by working for the Pittsburgh Steelers as the head coach. He is a iconic coach in NFL history. Mike holding the net worth of $16 million. It is so lovely that he earns a lot at a young age. The 48 years old is not a professional NFL footballer. When he was in school, he participated in the game.In the year 2007 he joined the side as the first coach and from then he has done a great job. No other black was referred to as the head coach of the Steelers. Іn thе уеаr 1995, Міkе Тоmlіn’ѕ соасhіng саrееr bеgаn, but he ѕtаrtеd аѕ a wide rеcеіvеr соасh аt thе Vіrgіnіа Міlіtаrу Іnѕtіtutе. Тhе hеаd соасh wаѕ Віll Ѕtеwаrt. Аrkаnѕаѕ Ѕtаtе Unіvеrѕіtу hired him аѕ а dеfеnѕіvе bасk соасh. Аftеr thаt, Міkе wоrkеd аt thе Unіvеrѕіtу оf Сіnсіnnаtі.

However, Тоmlіn hаѕ led a very ѕuссеѕѕfull time in his NFL coaching career. At the age of 36 he got his first win. And the time being he becomes more aggressive and confident so far.

9. Dan Quinn (Atlanta Falcons)

Atlanta Falcons head coach Dan Quinn is the highest paid American head coach. As of 2020, the 49 years old is paying $8 million in his annual salary. This year his estimated net worth is about $3 million.

However the guy began  his career in the coaching field in 1994 with the William & Mary Tribe football team. The next year he joined Virginia Military Institute as a defensive coaching line.

In the year 2001, Dan started to walk in the NFL path for San Francisco as a defensive quality control. After 14 years he was promoted to the head coach post and His first team was Atlanta Falcons. From then to present he coached the team. 

10. Andy Reid (Kansas City Chiefs)

Andy Reid is a professional NFL head coach who earns $8 million as an annual salary. The Kansas City Chiefs boss has an estimated net worth of $20 million. The 62 years old penned a five years contract deal in 2017. The contract deal completed for $40 million  compensation. The deal is attributed as the 10 highest paid head coaches in NFL competition. 

In the nineties Reid worked as an assistant coach for the team Greenbay Packers. His profession as head coach started in 1999 and the team where he did the job was none other than Philadelphia Eagles. He worked there till 2012. In 2013 he jumped to Kansas City Chiefs. He leads a strong and successful seven years with the side. 

11. Bruce Arians (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

With the estimated $10 million net worth Bruce Arians is holding 11th position, in the list of highest paid NFL coaches. The American professional football coach earns $8 million from Tampa Bay Buccaneers as annual salary. He worked for Temple from 1983 to 1988 as the head coach. He made his NFL debut as head coach 1989. In career’s first he worked as running backs coach for the team Kansas City Chiefs. He has various sides in his coaching career. Finally he joined the side as a head coach in 2013.

12. Ron Rivera ( Washington Redskins)

NFC East division team Washington Redskins head Ron Rivera is a very popular American professional football coach and one of the highest paid football coaches so far. He yearly makes $8 million along with an estimated net worth of $12 million. When he was a Carolina Panthers his annual salary was $7 million. In his new career his yearly salary increased $1million. In future the amount to be raised. 

The coaching career of Rivera started in 1997. At the peak of his coaching career he worked for the Chicago Bears as a defensive quality control coach. In the year 1999, he jumped to Philadelphia Eagles as linebackers coach. In 2004, he was named to Rivera Chicago Bears again as defensive coordinator. He joined the San Diego Chargers in 2007. 

Finally in 2011, Rivera established himself as a head coach of the Carolina Panthers. 

13. Mike McCarthy (Green Bay Packers)

Mike McCarthy is also a NFL coach who has a net worth of $9 million. The annual salary of the guy is $6 million. Mike McCarthy was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in November 1963. McCarthy joined the NFL side in 1993. He started his career here with Kansas City Chiefs, where he worked as offensive quality control assistant from 1993 to 1994. The next year he was promoted as quarterbacks coach and worked there till 1998. In 1999 he joined the Green bay Packers in the same post. 

In the year 2000 to 2004 he worked for Orleans Saints as an offensive coordinator. He has some great achievement in his coaching career. He won a Super Bowl in 2010. The legend became the Motorola NFL Coach of the Year in 2007.

14. Kliff Kingsbury (Arizona Cardinals)

When we talk about the earnings of NFL coaches, then why is the name of Kliff Kingsbury behind. He is also a talented coach along with $5 million net worth. The Arizona Cardinals pay him a $5.5 salary per year. In 2014 the annual salary was $3.5 million. By signing an extension contract till 2020 he increased his salary by $2 million. 

In the year 2019 he joined the side as a head coach. After joining the side he is paid as the same amount of money. By his talent he is trying to rearrange the team again. 

15. Bill O’Brien (Houston Texans)

Another top class American professional football coach is Bill O’Brien who works for Houston Texans. The 50 years old earns $5 million annually along with the estimated net worth of $7 million. His coaching career started with Brown University as tight ends coach in 1993. After a year he joined as inside linebackers coach in the same club. In the year 2007 O’Brien linked with the NFL side and the team where he started work was New England Patriots as an assistant, quarterbacks coach, wide receivers coach and also an offensive coordinator. O’Brien joined head coach of the Houston Texans in 2014 and worked there for 6 years long. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[G08]

1 hour ago, soulman said:

So Robert Kraft offering to pay him a HC salary had nothing to do with it all all eh? 

Of course Robert Kraft opening up the checkbook played a role as well, I don't believe I ever indicated otherwise.

[G08]

1 hour ago, soulman said:

Where has it ever been said that Pace "craves" collaboration?

Have you listened to him talk? Or listened to McCaskey/Philips talk about his style?

[soulman]

32 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

Coaches have the NFLCA and their contracts usually have fully guaranteed deals so either way it doesn't matter. If the ownership or GM can legally block the move a coach isn't going to retire and then get to just move over without compensation. That's a legal battle I don't believe I will ever see a franchise go through for a HC or GM. HOU wanted Caserio bad a while before this above rules were implemented and NE was fully within their rights to block it. If he could just walk away and then make $4+ million more, then why didn't he? The real legal system in the US is a joke at times, so I fully believe you with contract breaches outside the NFL, but the real power in the NFL lies with the owners. They aren't going to get crapped on by someone they are paying pennies to comparatively to what they make.

As to why keep someone around who doesn't want to be there. Same reason GB wasn't getting rid of Rodgers. You expect a certain output or benefit from the player/coach/GM. If they want to retire that isn't a breach of contract but if they still have to go out and perform if they want paid. If they thought they could get the compensation to make up for the dropoff with Love then they would have done it. But even with all the BS Rodgers isnt going to throw away a year of his contract or stats to get back at an organization over a squabble. If Roquan Smith suddenly said he wanted to be let go, I'm not releasing him. He can either play out the contract and 1-2 years on the franchise tag, let his agent find a deal that gets me enough that I feel its worth dropping him for, or retire. Those are the only 3 things I let him do.

Let's be real brother.  Contracts are broken every day.  Those under contract and those who have granted the contract can either chose to play by the rules or not.  When a contract is breached who wins in court often depends on who has the best legal team.

The precedent for NFL coaching contracts we set back in the '60s when George Allen left the Bears job as DC for a HC in Washington.  GHS took him to court and won.  Then tore up Allen's contract in front of him and released him because he didn't want him if he wasn't loyal to Halas and the Bears.

Does this stuff happen often in the NFL?  No  But can it happen?  Of course.

[Sugashane]

5 minutes ago, soulman said:

Nagy's salary in this summary is listed at $100,000.  Why I can say but all of the others NFL HC are also listed.  My belief is that he's making somewhere between $4-$5 mil.  Based on where he's slotted that would make sense.

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NFL Head Coach Salary (How much they get paid)

Jenifar | March 24, 2021 | Money, NFL | 3 Comments

 

NFL, American National Football League the most popular sporting event in the country. The coaches are also the highest paid coaches in the USA. Every year a big amount of money pays them for their work. And the coaches are getting that for their own ability. If we analyze the top 10 highest earning coaches first the name which comes Bill Belichick. The New England Patriots are paid $12 million annually. Pete Carroll is the second name who earns an $11 million annual salary along with $22 million net worth.  With the $10 million annual salary Las Vegas Raiders Jon Gruden holding the third position. Sean Payton, the head coach of the New Orleans Saints, gets a $9.8 million salary per year. Here we are listing all 32 teams’ head coach salaries along with their net worth.

NFL Head Coach Salary 2021

Name	Team	Division	Annual Salary	Net worth
Bill Belichick	New England Patriots	AFC – East	$12 million	$35 million
Pete Carroll	Seattle Seahawks	NFC – West	$11 million	$22 million
Jon Gruden	Las Vegas Raiders	AFC- West	$10 million	$30 million
Sean Payton	New Orleans Saints	NFC – South	$9.8 million	$22 million
John Harbaugh	Baltimore Ravens	AFC – North	$9 million	$16 million
Matt Rhule	Carolina Panthers	NFC – South	$8.5 million	$5 million
Sean McVay	Los Angeles Rams	NFC – West	$8.5 million	$7 million
Mike Tomlin	Pittsburgh Steelers	AFC – North	$8 million	$20 million
Dan Quinn	Atlanta Falcons	NFC – South	$8 million	$3 million
Andy Reid	Kansas City Chiefs	AFC – West	$8 million	$25 million
Bruce Arians	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	NFC – South	$8 million	$10 million
Ron Rivera	Washington Redskins	NFC – East	$7 million	$10 million
Kliff Kingsbury	Arizona Cardinals	NFC – West	$5.5 million	$5 million
Bill O’Brien	Houston Texans	AFC – South	$5 million	$7 million
Joe Judge	New York Giants	AFC – East	$5 million	$20 million
Matt LaFleur	Green Bay Packers	NFC- North	$5 million	$7 million
Vic Fangio	Denver Broncos	AFC – West	$5 million	$4 million
Frank Reich	Indianapolis Colts	AFC – South	$4.5 million	$10 million
Doug Pederson	Philadelphia Eagles	NFC – East	$4 million	15 million
Mike McCarthy	Dallas Cowboys	NFC – East	$4 million	$9 million
Dan Quinn	Atlanta Falcons	NFC – South	$4.5 million	$3 million
Zac Taylor	Cincinnati Bengals	AFC – North	$4,500,000	$15 million
Matt Nagy	Chicago Bears	NFC – North	$100,000	$5 million
Mike Zimmer	Minnesota Vikings	NFC – North	$4, million	$6 million
Adam Gase	New York Jets	AFC – East	$5 million	$5 million
Mike Vrabel	Tennessee Titans	AFC – South	$3,025,000	$ 10 million
Anthony Lynn	Los Angeles Chargers	AFC – West	$4 million	$5 million
Matt Patricia	Detroit Lions	NFC – North	$4 million	$3 million
Doug Marrone	Jacksonville Jaguars	AFC – South	$3.3 million	$8 million
Kevin Stefanski	Cleveland Browns	AFC – North	$3,500,000	$2 million
Brian Flores	Miami Dolphins	AFC – East	$500000	under review
Kyle Shanahan	San Francisco 49ers	NFC – West	$3 million	$4 millio

 

Any site saying Nagy makes 100K is stupid AF. He made more at KC under Reid. lol

 

https://abtc.ng/matt-nagy-teams-coached-salary-net-worth-family-and-age-of-the-american-football-coach/

 

Flores has been said to make about $3 mil per year too, why they put $500K I don't get but no HC is making less than $2-3 mil per year no matter how unproven. So your idea on the "slotting" may be more accurate than my above reference.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/nbcsports/who-are-the-highest-paid-coaches-in-the-nfl-in-2021-season/2636720/

 

[soulman]

30 minutes ago, Sugashane said:

I'm definitely not going to argue that point. But I think Pace is a weak leader, so I'm not even sure that would be a bad thing. If the FO had the balls to refuse McDaniels to have GM level control then good, I'd be fine with Eliot Wolf or Ziegler or whoever taking their shot.

As I've said I'd rather either challenge for the Super Bowl or the top overall draft pick. Keep me away from constantly hovering around the .500 mark. Pace seems to be the exact level of mediocre to do the latter after he has been able to reshape the roster as he and his handpicked HC deemed fit.

What we would like to see and what GMcC and Teddy Bears are comfortable with are often very different.

We all believe we know what should be done but when has it ever been done?