Danger Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just want to put this out there. Courtesy to @Matts4313 for finding this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Danger said: Just want to put this out there. Courtesy to @Matts4313 for finding this. Yeah, no one cares. Edited December 5, 2021 by biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, biggie. said: "Stats are for losers.... when they support a narrative I don't like." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Danger said: "Stats are for losers.... when they support a narrative I don't like." That chart means literally nothing. If it's going to be used as a knock against Mac, then I guess Buffalo better trade Josh Allen and find someone that can "carry the team". I mean, FFS, it claims Jalen Hurts gets more help from studs like Jaelen Raegor than Matt Stafford who has Cooper Kupp and OBJ. Edited December 5, 2021 by biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, biggie. said: That chart means literally nothing. If it's going to be used as a knock against Mac, then I guess Buffalo better trade Josh Allen and find someone that can "carry the team". I mean, FFS, it claims Jalen Hurts gets more help from studs like Jaelen Raegor than Matt Stafford who has Cooper Kupp and OBJ. The Eagles offensive line and run game has been phenomenal. Defense has been mediocre. Jalen Hurts has looked bad. I ain't saying Mac Jones isn't good. He's better than I gave him credit for before the draft cycle, but let's slow the role on pronouncing him a future top 5-10 QB please lol. Yes he looks the best of any rookie QB. The other teams are completely dysfunctional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, biggie. said: That chart means literally nothing. If it's going to be used as a knock against Mac, then I guess Buffalo better trade Josh Allen and find someone that can "carry the team". You seem to be missing the entire point of the chart altogether. There's nothing wrong with a QB getting help from his supporting cast (that's why it's a called a team game) but it certainly needs to be taken into consideration when evaluating their play. Too often we have seen Qbs look bad behind a poor supporting cast and then look better when put into a better situation (i.e Tannehill). Conversely, we have seen QBs look good with a good supporting cast and then fall back to earth when said supporting cast is pulled out from underneath them (i.e Foles). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofos Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Danger said: Just want to put this out there. Courtesy to @Matts4313 for finding this. This means about as much as WR separation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Danger said: The Eagles offensive line and run game has been phenomenal. Defense has been mediocre. Jalen Hurts has looked bad. I ain't saying Mac Jones isn't good. He's better than I gave him credit for before the draft cycle, but let's slow the role on pronouncing him a future top 5-10 QB please lol. Yes he looks the best of any rookie QB. The other teams are completely dysfunctional. Jalen Hurts is the leading rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, biggie. said: Jalen Hurts is the leading rusher. In large part because he hasn't really been effective as a passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 And with Jalen Hurts, the team combined without him has 1200 yards rushing. It's the O-Line more than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: He's probably gonna wind up in the same conversation guys like Carson Palmer and Matt Ryan end up in- just short of HoF level eliteness, but he'll also probably get closer to the Hall than they will because he'll probably win at least one Superbowl. A solid 7.9-8.4/10 type of career. Carson Palmer at least had an elite arm. Ryan’s a good comparison though. Maybe Philip Rivers as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, biggie. said: Jalen Hurts is the leading rusher. Eagles are 17th in passing DVOA, 3rd in rushing, and 21st in defense. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-offense/2021 https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Danger said: And with Jalen Hurts, the team combined without him has 1200 yards rushing. It's the O-Line more than anything else. Just now, JAF-N72EX said: Eagles are 17th in passing DVOA, 3rd in rushing, and 21st in defense. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-offense/2021 https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2021 At look where they are: 5-7, probably not making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, biggie. said: That chart means literally nothing. If it's going to be used as a knock against Mac, then I guess Buffalo better trade Josh Allen and find someone that can "carry the team". I mean, FFS, it claims Jalen Hurts gets more help from studs like Jaelen Raegor than Matt Stafford who has Cooper Kupp and OBJ. I actually like the idea of the chart (we talked about it a bit in the 49er form), but I think it needs to be a bigger composite with more relevant pieces of data. And the one piece that we didn't like at all was the "open rate". If you need something to quantify the receivers, I'm not sure what else you can use outside of drops. Separation / Open Rates are too influenced by other factors (such as a QB's tendencies). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, biggie. said: At look where they are: 5-7, probably not making the playoffs. This isn't relevant to the topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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