LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Using the PFN draft simulator, this was my haulTraded # 1 to Atlanta for #8, 43, 61, 74, 2023 Second round pick (Car selected Aidan Hutchison DE, MI) Traded #8 to Carolina for #9 and 2023 Second round pick (Carolina Selected DeMarvin Leal DT, Texas A&M) Traded #9 and pick 180 to Minnesota for #10 and 2023 second round pick (I was targeting George Karlaftis, but MN took him) Traded #33 to Carolina for pick 104 and 2023 1st round pick (Carolina Selected Malik Willis) Traded pick 104 and 236 to Philadelphia for 114 and 155 (Philadelphia selected Jalen Catalon) Pick #10 Derek Stingley Jr CB, LSU Pick #24 Treylon Burks WR, AR pick #43 Perrion Winifrey DT, OK pick #61 (from ATL) Arnold Ebiketie Edge, PSU pick #65 Jalen Tolbert WR, South Alabama pick #74 (from ATL) Will Levis QB, KY pick #98 Bernhard Raimann OT, Central Michigan pick #114 Brian Asamoah II LB, OK 2023 Carolina 1st 2023 Carolina 2nd 2023 Minnesota 2nd 2023 Atlanta 2nd I passed up on some talent to build draft capital for the following year. I've played around with this several times now and all the trades offered are the same every time for the first pick. In the end and in real life, I don't know if I would do this and pass on the higher end talent. We get a lot in return, but with bust rates I think I would rather do something along the lines of Hutchison, Burks, and Brandon Smith for my top 3. If I could have landed Karlaftis like I was trying to do, I would have felt better about this. Getting Carolinas first feels good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_Fan Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Why does PFN exist lol. Raimann a first rounder Tolbert put up amazing numbers but small school. I think he goes in 2nd with Sky from Western. (my favorite two lowkey smallschool guys) (I went with Sky Moore in my Madden Mock franchise I have been playing) Stingley at 10???? Feel he goes top 4 but im no Nostradamus lol I dont like Perrion really too much Feel Arnold goes top 45 Burks isnt bad but the worst out of like 6-8 others imo Id rather London, Garrett, Moore, J. Williams, Olave, Metchie, Dotson. Then Burks. (Funny thing is I have Burks on my Madden team and had no clue who he was like 6-8 months ago when I drafted him. Funny he was a 6th rd pick then. Great for him though to be a potential 1st. I think this team needs talent now. There wont be a next year after next year if they cant bring fans in the seats cause everyone is like ehh yeah next year. I think we get a statement defense player. We need a LB to take over Anzalone eventually. Do you guys think we go 2 WR in the draft this year? or 1? Always stinks contract time if both did well. One probably moves on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) I'm not a contract person, but I think if we take a WR at 24 they get that 5th year option. But maybe I'm wrong on that? Then you could go 24 fifth year option and other position new contract in 4th year. Of all the things I'd be worried about with this team, that wouldn't be one of them. Passing game has held us back more than anything this year, imo. I think we go 2 WR this year. Unless someone falls I'd be surprised if 24 doesn't end up being a WR. If I did go back to back WR in a mock, that wouldn't take into consideration any free agent signings as well. Stingley at 10? I agree he will probably be in the top 10 but weirder things have happened, i.e., Rogers at 24 when he was argued at being 1 overall. A lot of those receivers you listed were already gone. Dotson was always going in the second and I was going to go back to back with Burks and Dotson, but he got picked up. Trading from 33 and only having 43 made me miss out on Dotson and LB Smith from PSU. But I did pick up a first with the trade from Carolina so I'd probably make that trade again. I didn't like a lot of the other options there at 43 so I went with a DT with upside. When in doubt, go Hog Molly. I agree the team needs talent now, so doing it in real life I wouldn't trade back from 1 to 8. I want that high end talent. Edited December 6, 2021 by LionArkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 45 minutes ago, NFL_Fan said: Burks isnt bad but the worst out of like 6-8 others imo Id rather London, Garrett, Moore, J. Williams, Olave, Metchie, Dotson. Then Burks. (Funny thing is I have Burks on my Madden team and had no clue who he was like 6-8 months ago when I drafted him. Funny he was a 6th rd pick then. Great for him though to be a potential 1st. Burks is in my top 3. I have London, Burks, Williams, Garrett, Pickens, Metchie*, Olave, Dotson as my top 8, but I also prefer big WRs. *Metchie just tore his ACL and might stay another year at Alabama to rehab. Who is Moore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 As for the draft, I'm just not a fan of trading back that much. I understand why you did it, and sometimes it's fun just to switch it up, but IRL, I'd be pissed if the Lions did all that just to pass on Kayvon or Hutch for Stingley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I just did one and ended up with the following: Pick 14 - Garret Wilson, WR Ohio St. Pick 24 - Nakobe Dean, LB Georgia Pick 33 - Trent McDuffie - CB Washington Pick 42 - Jahan Dotson, WR Penn St. Pick 47 - Brandon Joseph, S Northwestern Pick 65 - Desmond Ridder, QB Cinci Pick 74 - Nick Bonito, Edge Oklahoma Pick 102 - Damone Clarke, LB LSU Pick 132 - Smoke Monday, S Auburn Pick 172 - Coby Bryant, CB Cinci Pick 180 - Cole Strange, OG Chattanooga Pick 218 - Gerard Wheeler, OC Tulsa Pick 219 - Deangelo Malone, Edge Western Kentucky Pick 236 - Juaquez Ezzard, WR Sam Houston St. 2023 picks: Atlanta's 1st Miami's 2nd Carolina's 3rd Miami's 4th New Orlean's 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I just did one. Quote Trade Details Received: Pick 1 - Kayvon Thibodeaux Received: Pick 9 Pick 104 2023 CAR 2nd 2023 CAR 3rd 2023 CAR 4th Quote Trade Details Received: Pick 9 - Matt Corral Received: Pick 18 2023 PIT 1st 2023 PIT 4th Quote Trade Details Received: Pick 33 - Lewis Cine Received: Pick 34 2023 HOU 7th Detroit Lions Draft: 18. Drake London, WR USC 24. Kenny Pickett, QB Pitt 34. Drake Jackson, EDGE USC 65. Brandon Joseph, S Northwestern 98. Chad Muma, LB Wyoming 104. George Pickens, WR Georgia 176. Josh Jobe, CB Alabama 180. Hassan Haskins, RB Michigan 218. Bubba Bolden, S Miami 236. Jack Sanborn, LB Wisconsin 2023 Draft picks: (not counting comp picks) 2023 DET 1st 2023 PIT 1st 2023 LAR 1st 2023 DET 2nd 2023 CAR 2nd 2023 DET 3rd 2023 CAR 3rd 2023 DET 4th 2023 CAR 4th 2023 PIT 4th 2023 DET 5th 2023 DET 6th 2023 DEN 6th 2023 DET 7th 2023 HOU 7th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 38 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: As for the draft, I'm just not a fan of trading back that much. I understand why you did it, and sometimes it's fun just to switch it up, but IRL, I'd be pissed if the Lions did all that just to pass on Kayvon or Hutch for Stingley. Yeah, IRL I'd be pissed as well. I'm super high on Hutchison. He has the skill set and the intangibles to do some great things. I've done this several times now and I always prefer the haul of staying put vs the potential of next years draft. I still might trade #33 for next years first from Carolina. It would depend on who is on board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Louis Friend said: 65. Brandon Joseph, S Northwestern 98. Chad Muma, LB Wyoming These two guys intrigue me. I want to watch more on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 No trades draft: 1. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan- Slight edge over Kayvon for the #1 pick. 24. Treylon Burks WR Arkansas- Big bodied WR with lots of production. 4 WRs were already off the board by this pick (Garrett, London, Olave, Williams). 33. Drake Jackson EDGE USC- I doubled up at EDGE with Jackson. Him and Hutch would give us bookends for a long time. Jackson and Okwara can move around and change up the defensive looks for the Lions. 65. Brandon Joseph S Northwestern- I've been beating the safety drum for years now. Our safeties are atrocious. Joseph is one of the top guys in the draft and got him at the top of the 3rd rd. 98. George Pickens WR Georgia- I doubled up at WR here. It's a glaring need. Reynolds is not signed for next season. Cephus is coming off an IR season. ARSB is a slot receiver. Giving Goff two big WRs to throw to is necessary. 176. Charlie Kolar TE Iowa State- I had three guys available here, but Kolar was the best value, IMO. Solid TE to pair with Hockenson. 180. Bubba Bolden S Miami-Fl- Agan, doubling up at a position of need with a player I really like. The young talent Aubrey Pleasant would have to mold is amazing. 218. Ben Brown OG Mississippi- Ben Brown is a solid seasoned C/G who could plug in between Ragnow/Sewell allowing us to cut Vaitai and save some cap to fill needs. 236. Jack Sanborn LB Wisconsin- I'm not going to lie. The more I watch of Sanborn, the more I don't understand why he's not higher rated. He doesn't have ideal size. But the guy just plays correctly and tackles the ball. I'm a big fan of LBs who can tackle. It's a novel concept around Detroit, but Wisconsin produces them better than any other school IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Louis Friend said: No trades draft: 1. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan- Slight edge over Kayvon for the #1 pick. 24. Treylon Burks WR Arkansas- Big bodied WR with lots of production. 4 WRs were already off the board by this pick (Garrett, London, Olave, Williams). 33. Drake Jackson EDGE USC- I doubled up at EDGE with Jackson. Him and Hutch would give us bookends for a long time. Jackson and Okwara can move around and change up the defensive looks for the Lions. 65. Brandon Joseph S Northwestern- I've been beating the safety drum for years now. Our safeties are atrocious. Joseph is one of the top guys in the draft and got him at the top of the 3rd rd. 98. George Pickens WR Georgia- I doubled up at WR here. It's a glaring need. Reynolds is not signed for next season. Cephus is coming off an IR season. ARSB is a slot receiver. Giving Goff two big WRs to throw to is necessary. 176. Charlie Kolar TE Iowa State- I had three guys available here, but Kolar was the best value, IMO. Solid TE to pair with Hockenson. 180. Bubba Bolden S Miami-Fl- Agan, doubling up at a position of need with a player I really like. The young talent Aubrey Pleasant would have to mold is amazing. 218. Ben Brown OG Mississippi- Ben Brown is a solid seasoned C/G who could plug in between Ragnow/Sewell allowing us to cut Vaitai and save some cap to fill needs. 236. Jack Sanborn LB Wisconsin- I'm not going to lie. The more I watch of Sanborn, the more I don't understand why he's not higher rated. He doesn't have ideal size. But the guy just plays correctly and tackles the ball. I'm a big fan of LBs who can tackle. It's a novel concept around Detroit, but Wisconsin produces them better than any other school IMO. I like this draft a lot. I like the Sanborn pick, but I think before the dust settles uou will see him go higher. I think in every draft I did, I had Hutch and Burks when I stay put. Your draft looks very similar to the ones I did when I would not trade down with the exception of me not doubling up on Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Here are a couple 3 rounders I have done without trading. 1. Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE Michigan 24. Ahmad Gardner, CB Cincinnati 33. Tyler Linderbaum, OC Iowa 65. Romeo Doubs, WR Nevada 98. Damone Clark, LB LSU I actually like this a lot. Linderbaum would play OG, adds a solid Edge, CB and LB. I know its missing an elite WR but would hope to sign one as well. I passed on Ojabo for Gardner. It would have been ok too to grab Ojabo there and keep the super talented pass rushing duo together since we don't know how Okwara will respond. 1. Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE Michigan 24. Nakobe Dean, LB Georgia 33. Ahmad Gardner, CB Cincinnati 65. Kenny Pickett, QB Pittsburgh 98. George Pickens, WR Georgia I dont see any way Pickett falls to the 3rd but would be all for him there. I love Dean and even though WR is a need, I would still take Dean over Burks. I could have went Dotson at 33 but again, I love the value on Gardner there. 1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, EDGE Oregon 24. Jordan Davis, DT Georgia 33. Nakobe Dean, LB Georgia 65. Brandon Joseph, S Northwestern 98. Wan'Dale Robinson, WR Kentucky This is an odd one where BPA was too hard to pass up. Davis will replace Brockers and a young line of Davis, Alim, Levi in the future will be nice IMO. Especially with Kayvon/Hutch coming off the edges. Then adding Dean to be a playmaking, pass rushing, TE covering do it all LB would help dramatically. I could have went a bunch of different routes at 65 but Joseph seemed too good and would sure up the back end. Felt I had to go WR in the 3rd and you could take your pick of Robinson, Metchie, and Pickens in this simulator, but most will be gone by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 Your last one is sick. If we could land Davis at 24 I'd be ecstatic. Dean and Joseph round our first 4 very nicely. I like the one with Pickett at 65, but I don't see any way that happens. I think he is going to be the first qb taken when it is all said and done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I blame you @LionArkie for this. #9 Derek Stingley, CB, LSU #24 Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah #33 Drake Jackson, EDGE, USC #61 Jordan Battle, S, Alabama #65 Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati #74 Sean Rhyan, OT, UCLA #98 Erik Ezukanma, WR, Texas Tech #176 Charleston Rambo, WR, Miami #180 Hassan Haskins, RB, Michigan #218 Greg Dulcich, TE, UCLA #236 DJ Davidson, DT, Arizona State +Atlanta 2023 1st +Carolina 2023 2nd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 You know you needed one more thing to look at and fiddle with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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