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2 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

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Giants have asked WFAN not to air John Mara presser live, per Tiki and Tierney. They were asked to do it on a delay when it is over. Shrug.

I think someone saw George's train wreck 😂

 

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John Mara blamed the media for creative a narrative that his family has more football influence than it should and is part of the problem

Well that is one way to make George look competent 😂 guys like Mike Florio must be rubbing their hands right now about how much they are going to rip this apart 😂

 

 

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5 hours ago, dll2000 said:

Good for him personally. 

I mean if you play on your high school team that is something.   Not everyone can do it especially at big schools.   D1 college is really hard.   Making an NFL team is crazy rare.  

All that being said, he is still a liability when he is on the field.

 

 

Yep. Pretty much. 

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10 hours ago, dll2000 said:

Agreed.  

The Mustipher thing was funny.   Dude, if credibility is that important to you tell the truth about players you like personally.   

There is no way we would be sitting watching film together and he would be justifying Mustipher's terrible blocks happening right in front of us.

You can say assignments all you want.   A guy gets blown up physically and there is nothing you can say.

 

 

Exactly this

Olin seems like he definitely has a few screws loose and I can't take him that seriously considering how much he goes to bat for Mustipher

So maybe George was justified in saying that you need to take Olin's words with a grain of salt?

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2 hours ago, topwop1 said:

So maybe George was justified in saying that you need to take Olin's words with a grain of salt?

Would you say the same thing about someone who you only conversed with a few times in passing over the course of 10 years?

I mean, if you personally would then fine, I guess, but that's very judgemental. If that's the case then I hate to ever meet you anywhere in public.

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15 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Would you say the same thing about someone who you only conversed with a few times in passing over the course of 10 years?

I mean, if you personally would then fine, I guess, but that's very judgemental. If that's the case then I hate to ever meet you anywhere in public.

Ok buddy 👍

Was just pointing out that his judgment can certainly be questioned when he thinks Mustipher is one of our better O-linemen..never said he was a liar about this $15 /hr TC offer. These two things aren't mutually exclusive

I also think it would be mature of him to move on instead of trying to have a war of words with the owner of his former team.

Remember who started this..

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18 hours ago, topwop1 said:

Olin seems like he definitely has a few screws loose and I can't take him that seriously considering how much he goes to bat for Mustipher

If Kreutz is actually soapboxing for Mustipher, he's either deranged, or simply not paying attention to the team, and spouting off clownishly to draw attention to himself. There's absolutely no other way to parse it. 

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2 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

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Panthers interviewing former Bears’ special teams coordinator Chris Tabor and former Broncos’ special teams coordinator Tom McMahon for the same job in Carolina, per sources.

I haven’t seen anything from Tabor’s units to suggest he’s anything more than a replacement level STC. 

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3 hours ago, topwop1 said:

Was just pointing out that his judgment can certainly be questioned when he thinks Mustipher is one of our better O-linemen..never said he was a liar about this $15 /hr TC offer. These two things aren't mutually exclusive

Okay, I was still stuck on the job subject and was taking it as if you were saying McCaskey was right to question Olin when he wasn't lying at all. That's my bad then.

I don't know what he said about Mustipher exactly but if he called him one of the better OL then I certainly agree that he deserves criticism. But it's needs to be said that he worked with Mustipher in ND so he might have a biased POV too.  One tied with ego with a line of thinking "if Mustipher is a failure, then I'm a failure as teacher" and another being tied to "I seen where he was at 3-4 years ago compared to where he is now and I see the progression--even if it's not to the level of a starter".

I don't know...again I didn't read what he said I'm just throwing out possible reasons behind it.

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33 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said:

I haven’t seen anything from Tabor’s units to suggest he’s anything more than a replacement level STC. 

Why? 

--He was Toub's right-hand for 3 years at the height of his success and Toub vouched for him with Cleveland --that's high praise which transalted into this.....

--In 2011, Tabor was hired by the Cleveland Browns as their special teams coordinator. During Tabor's tenure in Cleveland, the Browns were the only NFL team to have earned at least one AFC Special Teams Player of the Week award each season from 2011-2016. In total, the Browns won seven AFC Special Teams Player of the Week awards. He also oversaw kicker Phil Dawson[5] and returner Joshua Cribbs in 2012 when were both were selected to the Pro Bowl, marking just the second time in team history that two specialists made the annual all-star game in the same year. Also, during his tenure with the Browns, they lead the NFL in punt return average (11.3 yards), were first in kickoff return average against (19.8) and were tied for sixth in punt return touchdowns (four).

--Cribbs and and Hester have given him credit.

--He took over the Bears ST unit who ranked 26th in 2017 and turned it around to 26th in 2018 (with Parkey), 13th in 2019, 8th in 2020, and 7th in 2021. 

--He ended a void at kicker that has been left since Robby Gould. 

--Santos is having the best years of his entire career (even those under Toub himself in KC).

--He made Cohen a 1st team all-pro on ST in 2018

--He made Patterson was a 1st team all-pro as a returner AND gunner for 2 consecutive seasons for the first time in his long career.

I'm not sure what your looking for in a ST coach but that's a damn good resume.

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2 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Why? 

--He was Toub's right-hand for 3 years at the height of his success and Toub vouched for him with Cleveland --that's high praise which transalted into this.....

--In 2011, Tabor was hired by the Cleveland Browns as their special teams coordinator. During Tabor's tenure in Cleveland, the Browns were the only NFL team to have earned at least one AFC Special Teams Player of the Week award each season from 2011-2016. In total, the Browns won seven AFC Special Teams Player of the Week awards. He also oversaw kicker Phil Dawson[5] and returner Joshua Cribbs in 2012 when were both were selected to the Pro Bowl, marking just the second time in team history that two specialists made the annual all-star game in the same year. Also, during his tenure with the Browns, they lead the NFL in punt return average (11.3 yards), were first in kickoff return average against (19.8) and were tied for sixth in punt return touchdowns (four).

--Cribbs and and Hester have given him credit.

--He took over the Bears ST unit who ranked 26th in 2017 and turned it around to 26th in 2018 (with Parkey), 13th in 2019, 8th in 2020, and 7th in 2021. 

--He ended a void at kicker that has been left since Robby Gould. 

--Santos is having the best years of his entire career (even those under Toub himself in KC).

--He made Cohen a 1st team all-pro on ST in 2018

--He made Patterson was a 1st team all-pro as a returner AND gunner for 2 consecutive seasons for the first time in his long career.

I'm not sure what your looking for in a ST coach but that's a damn good resume.

You give Tabor far more credit for really talented players doing talented player things than I do.

Hester isn’t a HOF finalist because of Chris Tabor - he’s a HOF finalist because he’s Devin freakin’ Hester, and his 2 best years as a returner (the first two) were before Tabor arrived anyway. In Tabor’s first 2 years as a Bears Asst. ST coach Hester had zero return TDs after having 12 in the 2 years prior to his arrival, and his PR average was at the lowest of his career save for the ready to retire years at the end. Patterson has played 9 years in the NFL with a 29.4 yd KOR average. In his 2 years with the Bears it was 29.2. Cribbs’ 2 years under Tabor he averaged 26.1 yd on KOR. His career average across 10 seasons is 26.2. He was modestly better on PR average in Tabor’s years (11.7/return vs 10.7 career). To me, it seems Tabor has kept finding himself coaching on teams that just happened to have 3 of the top 10 kick returners in NFL history on them. I don’t think he made Cohen an all-pro returner either. I think that Cohen’s unique physical talents did that - Tabor didn’t teach him to have elite lateral agility, quickness, acceleration or to have 4.4 speed. 

Santos, admittedly, has been better here than he was before his arrival. But is that Tabor? Dawson improved from 2011-12 too, but under Tabor from 2013-17 the CLE kickers were at or below 80% on FGs in 4 of the 5 years. Where does Tabor fit into that?

I don’t think Tabor is a bad ST coach by any means. I just don’t think he’s a difference making coach. I think he’s a pretty average NFL ST coach - hence calling him replacement level. I’m not looking to run him off, but if he leaves I just don’t see it as all that big of a deal. I’m sure Harbaugh or Daboll or whoever will be able to adequately address the opening. 

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13 minutes ago, abstract_thought said:

Tabor's ST units were top 10 in the league for most of his time with several teams. That has to count for something. He definitely deserves the interviews.

Of course he does. I wasn’t at all saying otherwise. My point was that, by and large, Tabor’s units that have been top tier rankings-wise have had great returners. That’s got nothing to do with him. 

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