Raves Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, MookieMonstah said: You’d be a terrible GM tbh. Not taking 3 1sts in a salary dump is lol-worthy. Not all 1sts are equal. Thats like saying the Spurs should trade Leonard to the Lakers for 8 FRPs and take back Deng to make the money work is a good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Raves said: Not all 1sts are equal. Thats like saying the Spurs should trade Leonard to the Lakers for 8 FRPs and take back Deng to make the money work is a good trade. No, its not even close to saying that. Kawhi is a super star. What a ridiculous comparison. You're basically getting three 1sts to hold some salary you wouldn't utilize anyways. It won't matter if the Cavs have cap space in 2019, EVERYONE has cap space in 2019 basically. They aren't going to be a player for any big time players and even with Anderson on the books they could still manage to have roughly 25-30M in space if they clear the books. If you draft well you can turn mid-late 1sts into solid rotational players or decent starters. Thats how you rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 1sts for Ryan Anderson is more than fair and not doing it so you can have extra cap space next summer is adorable. It's much better to have cap space when others don't, so pushing your space back a season for 3 1st rounders is the smart play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: 3 1sts for Ryan Anderson is more than fair and not doing it so you can have extra cap space next summer is adorable. It's much better to have cap space when others don't, so pushing your space back a season for 3 1st rounders is the smart play. plus he would be easier to trade or stretch cut next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEARtheELF Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/14/2018 at 11:54 AM, Pastor Dillon said: plus he would be easier to trade or stretch cut next season. I would absolutely be open to taking on his contract for 3 firsts. If it were for Hill or Smith, Perkins, salary filler. I wouldnt be thrilled to give up Love to do it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Taking on Anderson’s contract doesn’t bother. However LOL at those picks actually turning in to something. They will be garbage euro stash picks at best. How many guys outside of the top 15 have done anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Taking on Anderson’s contract doesn’t bother. However LOL at those picks actually turning in to something. They will be garbage euro stash picks at best. How many guys outside of the top 15 have done anything? In the past 5 years? Khris Middleton Jae Crowder Draymond Green Rudy Gobert Jusuf Nurkic Clint Capella Nikola Jokic Jordan Clarkson Terry Rozier Larry Nance Jr Malcolm Brogdon Kyle Kuzma Josh Hart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: In the past 5 years? Khris Middleton Jae Crowder Draymond Green Rudy Gobert Jusuf Nurkic Clint Capella Nikola Jokic Jordan Clarkson Terry Rozier Larry Nance Jr Malcolm Brogdon Kyle Kuzma Josh Hart 4 lakers on this list, 3 of whom havent done anything of value. Kuzma is about the only one to actually flash promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEARtheELF Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: Taking on Anderson’s contract doesn’t bother. However LOL at those picks actually turning in to something. They will be garbage euro stash picks at best. How many guys outside of the top 15 have done anything? Right but that is not the gamble I think you are taking. I would guess we would have the picks be back dated into the 2020's with the hopes that the Rockets are on the decline in 3 years, similar top Boston and Nets deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: In the past 5 years? Khris Middleton Jae Crowder Draymond Green Rudy Gobert Jusuf Nurkic Clint Capella Nikola Jokic Jordan Clarkson Terry Rozier Larry Nance Jr Malcolm Brogdon Kyle Kuzma Josh Hart You could add Jordan Bell, OG Anuoby, Deontay Murray, Bobby Portis, Ronda Hollis-Jefferson and John Collins to the list as well. If they haven't proven enough yet, they will in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Yeah, acting like late 1sts are worthless is dumb. Especially the 2021 1st, which could have both college freshmen and high school seniors in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Entire Wolves Franchise for a Vikings Super Bowl win. You can have the name, facilities, players, and the ability to relocate franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, J-ALL-DAY said: You could add Jordan Bell, OG Anuoby, Deontay Murray, Bobby Portis, Ronda Hollis-Jefferson and John Collins to the list as well. If they haven't proven enough yet, they will in the near future. Several of those lists are questionable at best. But even then if that's over 5 years, that's 19 players out of what 225 players? That's less than 10% chance to hit. Granted I think this year's class will change that as it was extremely deep and had players that would've been 1st rounders in other years going in the 2nd, but that is very much the exception than the rule. 1 hour ago, seminoles1 said: Yeah, acting like late 1sts are worthless is dumb. Especially the 2021 1st, which could have both college freshmen and high school seniors in the draft. So how does that really help? There are plenty of cases of top HS Seniors ending up doing poorly in college and then not even being 1st round picks by the time they enter the draft, so why add to the risk of who to take if they aren't drafting them in the 2nd or looking to just put them on a G-League squad as a UDFA. I mean before they implemented the 1 and done rule, how many straight from HS players actually ended up being picked high and performing, let alone performing. Obviously you have guys like LeBron James who everyone knew was going to be a dominant player, but those are rare to find to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Raves said: Several of those lists are questionable at best. But even then if that's over 5 years, that's 19 players out of what 225 players? That's less than 10% chance to hit. compared to a 40% hit at 15 and above, yes. No one is disputing that higher picks are more valuable or that they give you a better chance at a star, but its also no lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Raves said: Several of those lists are questionable at best. But even then if that's over 5 years, that's 19 players out of what 225 players? That's less than 10% chance to hit. Granted I think this year's class will change that as it was extremely deep and had players that would've been 1st rounders in other years going in the 2nd, but that is very much the exception than the rule. So how does that really help? There are plenty of cases of top HS Seniors ending up doing poorly in college and then not even being 1st round picks by the time they enter the draft, so why add to the risk of who to take if they aren't drafting them in the 2nd or looking to just put them on a G-League squad as a UDFA. I mean before they implemented the 1 and done rule, how many straight from HS players actually ended up being picked high and performing, let alone performing. Obviously you have guys like LeBron James who everyone knew was going to be a dominant player, but those are rare to find to begin with. What exactly is questionable? All those guys listed have nice roles on their respective teams and some of them will be very good. To get a contributor that late in the draft is a big plus. Now guys like Hart are listed and that is still yet to be determined, but doesn't take a genius to see he will have a role for years to come with the way he ended last season and how he has performed in summer league. A guy who could shoot like that and plays good defense? Yeah, he will stick around for a while. Jordan Bell is more so projection. He hasn't contributed yet aside from stretches of the season, but does anyone doubt he won't be one of the best defenders in the league? Could switch out on the perimeter and is a good shot blocker. And you could look at the top 10 and see how many of those players teams haven't hit on. The draft is a crapshoot but that doesn't mean the late 1st rounders are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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