Nabbs4u Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: I think Mike had a lot more to do with personnel decisions, especially who we drafted, then people will acknowledge or accept. And his draft history when he worked in an NFL front office definitely hurts his persona as a "draft guru." We'll probably never really know who really had the power? The HC with a 10 year contract telling Mayock who I want. Or the GM hired afterwards caterering to whatever Mr. God Complex wanted? Anyone thinkink Gruden didn't have a say in the draft or FA is fooling themselves. Gruden of all people had a vision (blind as a bat) but vision of the players he needed to succeed. Think that's who he had Mike target. Hence several of their 1st rd picks and horrific FA signings. What I'm fairly certain of though is Mayock was probably responsible for most of their mid to late rd gems found. I don't for a second think Gruden was responsible for finding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: We'll probably never really know who really had the power? The HC with a 10 year contract telling Mayock who I want. Or the GM hired afterwards caterering to whatever Mr. God Complex wanted? Anyone thinkink Gruden didn't have a say in the draft or FA is fooling themselves. Gruden of all people had a vision (blind as a bat) but vision of the players he needed to succeed. Think that's who he had Mike target. Hence several of their 1st rd picks and horrific FA signings. What I'm fairly certain of though is Mayock was probably responsible for most of their mid to late rd gems found. I don't for a second think Gruden was responsible for finding them. I definitely think that Gruden had the final say in our personnel moves but Mayock was second in command. I mean Mayock has went on record saying that Ferrell, Arnette, and Leatherwood were his picks. Ferrell because he fit our former DC's scheme and Leatherwood because he was our OL's favorite player in the draft. For both Gruden/Mayock I think that their biggest issue was their blind faith in the assistant coaches. We regularly reached for need based on who our positional coaches preferences. We saw it with Ferrell, Abram, Ruggs, Arnette, and Leatherwood. And with that in mind I'd credit Gus Bradley for our mid-round gems, players like Hobbs, Deablo, Koonce, Moehrig all fit GB's scheme to a tee. And while Mayock did find some gems in the middle-rounds, outside of like 2-3 guys even most of his mid-round picks were complete flops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I'd love him back on TV, but can we all drop that draft guru BS? He clearly has some interesting take on some players, but his evaluation process is as flawed as it appeared on TV, where he homed in on his guys, to a fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: We'll probably never really know who really had the power? The HC with a 10 year contract telling Mayock who I want. Or the GM hired afterwards caterering to whatever Mr. God Complex wanted? Anyone thinkink Gruden didn't have a say in the draft or FA is fooling themselves. Gruden of all people had a vision (blind as a bat) but vision of the players he needed to succeed. Think that's who he had Mike target. Hence several of their 1st rd picks and horrific FA signings. What I'm fairly certain of though is Mayock was probably responsible for most of their mid to late rd gems found. I don't for a second think Gruden was responsible for finding them. This is based on absolutely nothing though isn't it? Find it odd people acknowledge Gruden was an egomanial control freak but then let 5 draft picks a year be sorted by someone else. All the Raider insiders said that the first round busts were often positional coach picks, and that Mayock basically delegated to them which is terrible. Also Ferrell was a pick he was huge on, he wanted to trade down but couldn't and just drafted him anyway because Guenther liked him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 13 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: Who knew the all TV crew would be complete doo-doo. (You like that?) You like that? Kirk Cousins will now be your next QB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Lol a couple of months ago a narrative started to form with this idea that Mayock made the good picks and all the bad ones were Gruden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Vic T is as plugged in as anybody, Mayock stinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Falconof Shadows said: Feel like he got a raw deal. It was clear all decisions were made by gruden. I truly don't think may I actually got to make any pics he wanted to. The pics that the Raiders took don't go by the same formula that may upgraded players when he did his top fives NFL Network Common misconception: Quote The two biggest disasters fall on Mayock. In 2019, he was confident the Raiders could trade down from the No. 4 slot and pick Clemson defensive end Clelin Ferrell somewhere in the teens. When no trade became available, the Raiders wound up taking Ferrell, a character guy without much twitch, with the No. 4 pick. Quote Arnette had red flags coming into the draft and was considered a reach at No. 19, but Mayock said he did more homework on Arnette than any other player ever. Besides his maturity issues, Arnette wasn’t very good. Quote All told, the Raiders had 13 picks in the top 100 selections in the past three years and have two projected starters to show for it in safety Tre’von Moehrig and Jacobs (with Abram, Mullen, Edwards and Divine Deablo as maybes). Quote Gruden often gave Mayock a hard time about the Ferrell pick as well as some of the other misses, staffers in the building say, but the two seemed to always iron things out despite rumors that Mayock might be gone after the 2019 and 2020 seasons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, CP3MVP said: Lol a couple of months ago a narrative started to form with this idea that Mayock made the good picks and all the bad ones were Gruden Think the reality is most likely somewhere in the middle. In his defence Mayock owned the Arnette pick, which was a major failure because everyone knew about those red flags. Some of the others we still don’t know about, but given his fascination with Clemson I think it’s fair to assume he also was heavily involved in the Ferrell and Renfrow picks - which are obviously at complete ends of the success scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 hours ago, NYRaider said: I definitely think that Gruden had the final say in our personnel moves but Mayock was second in command. I mean Mayock has went on record saying that Ferrell, Arnette, and Leatherwood were his picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: One of the better gif usages i've seen. nice. i think i made the exact same face when i read it. Edited January 18, 2022 by Dome 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dome said: i think i made the exact same face when i read it. Honestly, I realized I did it too and searched for something similar. The term was "Yeesh" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostnote Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 15 hours ago, taylor made said: He is good on TV, but I'll take his draft analysis a little less serious. How can you be that bad of a drafter? Drafting for a single team vs. contacting teams to find out what they are going after is a huge difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Ghostnote said: Drafting for a single team vs. contacting teams to find out what they are going after is a huge difference. Yep, those guys barely scout they canvas opinions and aggregate then probably throw some of their experience in with comparing to prior prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Ghostnote said: Drafting for a single team vs. contacting teams to find out what they are going after is a huge difference. So this is how you feel he developed his big boards every time he analyzed the draft for NFLN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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