Dr A W Niloc Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 As much as I like Mike Mayock, taking Alex Leatherwood before Christian Darrisaw was a bit of a dealbreaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: As much as I like Mike Mayock, taking Alex Leatherwood before Christian Darrisaw was a bit of a dealbreaker. With so many questionable first round picks, I have a hard time believing that they weren't influenced by Gruden. It's so confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: With so many questionable first round picks, I have a hard time believing that they weren't influenced by Gruden. Quite possible. Gruden is a forceful guy. It was a gut punch to Raider watchers, though; I couldn't find a single pundit or mock draft that listed Leatherwood ahead of Darrisaw, and many weren't close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 The amount of resources Grudock squandered is nauseating. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 hours ago, MikeT14 said: 4 hours ago, Dome said: One of the better gif usages i've seen. nice. i think i made the exact same face when i read it. So reports from inside the building that Gruden would often give Mayock a hard time for pushing to take Ferrell #4 overall are wrong? You guys work for the team? Who are we going to hire my boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I'm just of the opinion. How much say does a GM (Mike Mayock) actually have when Jon Gruden had final say on player personnel? Honest question. Who else has or had that in the NFL? Where the HC has final say "over" the GM? What other examples of success or lack there of are out there? Curious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: Quite possible. Gruden is a forceful guy. It was a gut punch to Raider watchers, though; I couldn't find a single pundit or mock draft that listed Leatherwood ahead of Darrisaw, and many weren't close. I would like to think that when Gruden was brought in, they basically just gave him the keys to the team. I dont' think he'd want to relinquish rights. He had a nice, cozy job making a boatload of cash in the booth so I don't think he'd step away from that unless it was ridiculously enticing. I don't think we'll truly ever know though. I just know that Mayock, in his past, had been an amazing talent evaluator. A lot of those picks were too interesting to not raise a red flag IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, NYRaider said: So reports from inside the building that Gruden would often give Mayock a hard time for pushing to take Ferrell #4 overall are wrong? You guys work for the team? Who are we going to hire my boys? I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'd give Mayock a hard time for that too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, MikeT14 said: I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'd give Mayock a hard time for that too? I thought you were implying it was Gruden, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: I'm just of the opinion. How much say does a GM (Mike Mayock) actually have when Jon Gruden had final say on player personnel? Honest question. Who else has or had that in the NFL? Where the HC has final say "over" the GM? What other examples of success or lack there of are out there? Curious? Pete Carroll, Bill Belicheck, Kyle Shannahan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I thought you were implying it was Gruden, lol. Nah that gif was about this part: Quote I mean Mayock has went on record saying that Ferrell, Arnette, and Leatherwood were his picks. I should have bolded it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, MikeT14 said: Nah that gif was about this part: I should have bolded it. Gotcha. Gruden was certainly terrible when it came to personnel decisions but it also didn't help that he hired a GM who had zero front office experience. It was truly like the blind leading the blind for us the last 4 seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I thought you were implying it was Gruden, lol. lol sometimes a gif response is hard to interpret both mike and I saw what you said and our reaction was along the lines of "yeah, yikes" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Dome said: lol sometimes a gif response is hard to interpret both mike and I saw what you said and our reaction was along the lines of "yeah, yikes" Yikes sums up the Grudock era pretty nicely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: I'm just of the opinion. How much say does a GM (Mike Mayock) actually have when Jon Gruden had final say on player personnel? Honest question. Who else has or had that in the NFL? Where the HC has final say "over" the GM? What other examples of success or lack there of are out there? Curious? Matt Rhule has final say over the 53-man roster here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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