Matts4313 Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 Just now, Nextyearfordaboyz said: 1 minute ago, D82 said: With an organization that has as hard a time keeping secrets as Dallas, I'd figure we'd have something credible by now if there was anything substanstial. The locker room drama stuff doesn’t always leak. He was caught on the sidelines whining about the # of targets one game and then a week or two later went to the press about it. I dont think that he liked Lamb/Schultz getting so many balls. That said, his targets per game were pretty solid. They werent Kupp, but its not like he was getting ignored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Matts4313 said: Additionally, I am pretty sure your inaccurate potshot on Dak has nothing to do with it. You really need to familiarize yourself with Next Gen Stats Passing score: https://www.nfl.com/_amp/next-gen-stats-intro-to-passing-score-metric Absolutely the most accurate way to rate QB play today. “The distribution of passing score points to 80 as a rough Mendoza Line for starting-level QB performance. Quarterbacks falling below that line are often young players acclimating to the league, or replacement-level talent that teams will look to upgrade from in the following season.” Prescott sucked the 2nd half of the season and it’s not an “inaccurate potshot” to say so. https://www.nfl.com/_amp/ranking-the-14-playoff-quarterbacks-based-on-ngs-new-passing-score-metric “Prescott will have to avoid games like he had during his midseason "slump." Prescott put up a passing score below 77 in five of six games from Weeks 9 through 14. The only other playoff quarterback to have even four such games this season is Ben Roethlisberger(8).” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, DaBoys said: You really need to familiarize yourself with Next Gen Stats Passing score: https://www.nfl.com/_amp/next-gen-stats-intro-to-passing-score-metric Absolutely the most accurate way to rate QB play today. “The distribution of passing score points to 80 as a rough Mendoza Line for starting-level QB performance. Quarterbacks falling below that line are often young players acclimating to the league, or replacement-level talent that teams will look to upgrade from in the following season.” Prescott sucked the 2nd half of the season and it’s not an “inaccurate potshot” to say so. https://www.nfl.com/_amp/ranking-the-14-playoff-quarterbacks-based-on-ngs-new-passing-score-metric “Prescott will have to avoid games like he had during his midseason "slump." Prescott put up a passing score below 77 in five of six games from Weeks 9 through 14. The only other playoff quarterback to have even four such games this season is Ben Roethlisberger(8).” Did you or did you not say "8 straight games"? Is that accurate or inaccurate? Additionally, why should I give this stat any merit? <= legit question, not hostile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, D82 said: I think, as someone else said, it has to do with Las Vegas attempting to do everything it can to put Carr in a position to succeed...versus Dallas who is trading away Dak's #1 target because of "cap reasons" and not signing any legitimate free agents. They didn’t trade him cap reasons though. His effort on the last drive of the playoff game was a fireable offense imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Just now, DaBoys said: They didn’t trade him cap reasons though. His effort on the last drive of the playoff game was a fireable offense imo So don't drive down his value and get something decent for him besides a late round pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: 14 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Additionally, why should I give this stat any merit? <= legit question, not hostile A passing stat that correlates with wins So how well does the NGS Passing Score correlate with winning football games? We took a look at 202 individual seasons from 88 different quarterbacks over the last four years, grouped each season into buckets of five (95-plus, 90 to 95, 85 to 90, etc.), and compared the win-loss record and percentage of playoff berths across each bucket. The highest rated QBs in this metric last year, were Aaron Rodgers, Burrow, and Stafford. Two of those QBs played each other in the SB. Prescott was in that 79 and below bucket in 5 of 6 games in weeks 9-14. No other playoff QB had more than 3 such games all year save 40 year old Big Ben and his 9-7-1 steelers Edited April 14, 2022 by DaBoys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, D82 said: So don't drive down his value and get something decent for him besides a late round pick. I agree we are terrible at trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Did you or did you not say "8 straight games"? Is that accurate or inaccurate? I said “about 8 games straight.” And it is absolutely accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: He was caught on the sidelines whining about the # of targets one game and then a week or two later went to the press about it. I dont think that he liked Lamb/Schultz getting so many balls. That said, his targets per game were pretty solid. They werent Kupp, but its not like he was getting ignored. Probably a small fraction of the discontent that was going on behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, DaBoys said: I said “about 8 games straight.” And it is absolutely accurate Im not contending he was great, but I do think your potshot of "8 straight games of throwing up ducks" or whatever was highly inaccurate. Quote Regular Season Hide games where player did not play or was inactive Share & Export Modify, Export & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook Get table as CSV (for Excel) Get Link to Table About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Data Usage Terms Glossary Passing Rushing Scoring Fumbles Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps Rk Date G# Week Age Tm Opp Result GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD 2PM TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct Status 16 Games 11-5-0 410 596 68.79 4449 37 10 104.2 30 144 7.46 7.95 48 146 3.04 1 1 1 8 14 6 0 7 17 0 1 2021-09-09 1 1 28.042 DAL @ TAM L 29-31 * 42 58 72.41 403 3 1 101.4 1 12 6.95 7.21 4 13 3.25 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 83 99% 0 0% 0 0% 2 2021-09-19 2 2 28.052 DAL @ LAC W 20-17 * 23 27 85.19 237 0 1 87.8 2 16 8.78 7.11 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 62 100% 0 0% 0 0% 3 2021-09-27 3 3 28.060 DAL PHI W 41-21 * 21 26 80.77 238 3 0 143.3 4 18 9.15 11.46 9 6 0.67 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 -4 0 73 96% 0 0% 0 0% 4 2021-10-03 4 4 28.066 DAL CAR W 36-28 * 14 22 63.64 188 4 0 130.3 0 0 8.55 12.18 4 35 8.75 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 20 0 61 100% 0 0% 0 0% 5 2021-10-10 5 5 28.073 DAL NYG W 44-20 * 22 32 68.75 302 3 1 116.9 2 10 9.44 9.91 2 6 3.00 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 -3 0 78 100% 0 0% 0 0% 6 2021-10-17 6 6 28.080 DAL @ NWE W 35-29 * 36 51 70.59 445 3 1 108.7 0 0 8.73 9.02 3 10 3.33 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 89 100% 0 0% 0 0% 7 2021-10-31 7 8 DAL @ MIN W 20-16 Inactive 8 2021-11-07 8 9 28.101 DAL DEN L 16-30 * 19 39 48.72 232 2 1 73.9 2 20 5.95 5.82 2 16 8.00 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 62 100% 0 0% 0 0% 9 2021-11-14 9 10 28.108 DAL ATL W 43-3 * 24 31 77.42 296 2 0 127.9 0 0 9.55 10.84 2 5 2.50 1 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 62 81% 0 0% 0 0% 10 2021-11-21 10 11 28.115 DAL @ KAN L 9-19 * 28 43 65.12 216 0 2 57.9 5 22 5.02 2.93 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 67 100% 0 0% 0 0% 11 2021-11-25 11 12 28.119 DAL LVR L 33-36 * 32 47 68.09 375 2 0 106.2 1 2 7.98 8.83 1 3 3.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 74 100% 0 0% 0 0% 12 2021-12-02 12 13 28.126 DAL @ NOR W 27-17 * 26 40 65.00 238 1 1 79.0 1 7 5.95 5.33 3 -3 -1.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70 100% 0 0% 0 0% 13 2021-12-12 13 14 28.136 DAL @ WAS W 27-20 * 22 39 56.41 211 1 2 58.8 4 10 5.41 3.62 7 15 2.14 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 85 100% 0 0% 0 0% 14 2021-12-19 14 15 28.143 DAL @ NYG W 21-6 * 28 37 75.68 217 1 0 98.6 3 14 5.86 6.41 2 -1 -0.50 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 71 100% 0 0% 0 0% 15 2021-12-26 15 16 28.150 DAL WAS W 56-14 * 28 39 71.79 330 4 0 131.4 3 11 8.46 10.51 4 21 5.25 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 61 84% 0 0% 0 0% 16 2022-01-02 16 17 28.157 DAL ARI L 22-25 * 24 38 63.16 226 3 0 105.8 1 1 5.95 7.53 5 20 4.00 0 0 0 3 1 0 2 4 0 64 100% 0 0% 0 0% 17 2022-01-08 17 18 28.163 DAL @ PHI W 51-26 * 21 27 77.78 295 5 0 151.8 1 1 10.93 14.63 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 51 82% 0 0% 0 0% CMP% over those games: 77% 65% 68% 65% 56% 76% 72% 63% 78% His rating over those games 128 56 106 79 59 99 131 101 152 His TD/INT ratio 2-0 0-2 1-1 1-2 1-0 4-0 3-0 5-0 And to be completely fair, feel free to knock off the Eagles game and replace it with the 9ers: 53% - 69 - 1:1 <= an obviously bad game Either way, it wasnt 8 straight or "about 8 straight" or any version of '8' and 'games in a row' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Dak wasn’t playing well from week 9 on. If you’re content with that level of play from your QB then you idk what to say. He was elite the first half of the season when teams were blitzing him. They stopped doing that when the Broncos showed teams how to play Prescott. We should have been able to run the ball better after that but Zeke sucked too. Our offense is absolutely why we struggled down the stretch, and Dak is part of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Well, looks like the off season isn’t going to be without some drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiller Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: Well, looks like the off season isn’t going to be without some drama. When has it not been... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
textaz03 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: Well, looks like the off season isn’t going to be without some drama. Oh. Did I miss something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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