NightTrainLane Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: The difference between a 4-3 end and a 3-4 linebacker are much less than most people think. I believe Ansah could stand up and rush pretty easily. I also think he could play the 4-tech in base and 3-tech in clear pass rushing nickel. He could do that but I doubt he would choose to do it in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 Weekly update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 way too much for Carrie and Ellis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: way too much for Carrie and Ellis Those are the going rates for starting nose tackle and corner. Either pay them or get equivalent players who aren't familiar with the staff or scheme for the same price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceman80 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: Those are the going rates for starting nose tackle and corner. Either pay them or get equivalent players who aren't familiar with the staff or scheme for the same price. Jelly doesnt deserve starting NT money just cuz he's listed in the starting line-up. Hasnt even played half the defensive snaps this year. And Carrie isnt worth 6 mil. Hes not a consistent starting talent, makes little to no plays, and is a member of a historically bad secondary. To pay him that much would be beyond foolish. Id do 3, maybe 4 mil AAV each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, riceman80 said: Jelly doesnt deserve starting NT money just cuz he's listed in the starting line-up. Hasnt even played half the defensive snaps this year. And Carrie isnt worth 6 mil. Hes not a consistent starting talent, makes little to no plays, and is a member of a historically bad secondary. To pay him that much would be beyond foolish. Id do 3, maybe 4 mil AAV each We need better production at those spots... those guys are average and that’s being nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceman80 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: We need better production at those spots... those guys are average and that’s being nice Jelly is a rotational run stopper. He's decent at what he does but he's a one trick pony that should be a rotational/sub package player that doesnt belong in a starting lineup. But he is and could be a decent enough contributor as a reserve. I actually like Carrie. Is he starting material? No but he's relatively young, experienced, our most consistent corner the past couple years, and he's versatile with experience outside, in the slot, at safety, and on special teams. He's not great but there's much worse out there. Every team needs depth. Say you let go of Jelly and we draft Vea? What happens when Vea or Vanderdoes get injured? Move MEJ out of position causing a weakness elsewhere? Start Ward or Latham? If we can get Jelly back on a good deal as a depth/short yardage guy, we'd be better off than rolling with some late rounder/UDFA/current player who cant even get playing time on this atrocious defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, riceman80 said: Jelly is a rotational run stopper. He's decent at what he does but he's a one trick pony that should be a rotational/sub package player that doesnt belong in a starting lineup. But he is and could be a decent enough contributor as a reserve. I actually like Carrie. Is he starting material? No but he's relatively young, experienced, our most consistent corner the past couple years, and he's versatile with experience outside, in the slot, at safety, and on special teams. He's not great but there's much worse out there. Every team needs depth. Say you let go of Jelly and we draft Vea? What happens when Vea or Vanderdoes get injured? Move MEJ out of position causing a weakness elsewhere? Start Ward or Latham? If we can get Jelly back on a good deal as a depth/short yardage guy, we'd be better off than rolling with some late rounder/UDFA/current player who cant even get playing time on this atrocious defense. People are saying to spend 10 m 5 m on jelly 5 m on Carrie ... forget that Lose my number. I’ll rather add a stud pass rusher or corner for my money... draft a NT and corner high to replace them. For depth a mid round pick or a vet who is looking for a chance to prolong his career. Can over pay players especially on a defense that sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 hours ago, riceman80 said: Jelly doesnt deserve starting NT money just cuz he's listed in the starting line-up. Hasnt even played half the defensive snaps this year. And Carrie isnt worth 6 mil. Hes not a consistent starting talent, makes little to no plays, and is a member of a historically bad secondary. To pay him that much would be beyond foolish. Id do 3, maybe 4 mil AAV each Most starting NTs aren't full time players. Ellis is the only player on the roster capable of playing the 1-tech in base and he does it at a high level. He's a specialist and $4 million is the going rate for those types of players. Carrie has been very consistent this year. He's been easily the best corner and the only one to consistently play man coverage from both outside and the slot. He's easily a top 30 corner this year. I don't think you're forming your opinion based on an informed evaluation of either player. I get it the season hasn't gone well but to paint every player with a broad brush is unwise and unfair. Ellis, Carrie, and Mack -- and until recently, Irvin -- have been the only players to step up from a toothless defense. $4 million for Ellis is more than reasonable and anything between $5 and $7 million for Carrie would be market value by my estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggabonez Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Very unrealistic FAs by most, imo. RMs intention is to build through the draft and he's been failing at that. Last season my two favorite FAs were : TE Jared Cook over Bennett and ILB Zach Brown. I feel Brown would have been the key but Brown knew the Raiders needed him and played hard ball. RM is going to go after bargains in FA as usual. My favorite FA next season: Cowboys ILB Anthony Hitchens. he's an under-the-radar, off-the-ball coverage linebacker that can play all 3 downs and will start next to Bowman. 4yrs/$34M ($12M signing bonus, 2-year option) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Weekly update: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Who are the best FA WR, DT, DE, LB, CB, S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Who are the best FA WR, DT, DE, LB, CB, S http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Rich7sena said: Weekly update: Would not be thrilled with the Koetter signing, but can see it happening and could work... Really like the Breeland pick up. Not sure he will be available tho... Bradham will stay in Philly IMO, but Kendricks could come free because of that. Where would you play him? I don't really like Paul Richardson...not sure he would be a big improvement at all If we go after a RB that early I would assume Lynch retired? That's your logic here? Even if Lynch is gone I can't see RM going after a RB with a top15 pick. Like the 2nd and 3rd rounders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Rolni said: Would not be thrilled with the Koetter signing, but can see it happening and could work... Koetter is a good fit for Carr's play style. He runs the same 4 verticals based offense Carr thrived in under Musgrave. Really like the Breeland pick up. Not sure he will be available tho... If Cousins re-signs I believe Breeland is a player they'll have to let walk. Further, they have a couple young players they may feel confident starting next season in Kendall Fuller and Fabian Moreau. Bradham will stay in Philly IMO, but Kendricks could come free because of that. Where would you play him? The Eagles are really against the cap this year and I don't believe they'll be able to match for $7 per. I don't really like Paul Richardson...not sure he would be a big improvement at all I've written about it before, but Richardson is a player who is built to play with Carr. He's great at adjusting to the ball in the air and making awkward catches. He's also has far more reliable hands than anyone currently on the roster. If we go after a RB that early I would assume Lynch retired? That's your logic here? Even if Lynch is gone I can't see RM going after a RB with a top15 pick. I believe Lynch plays next season. I'm fairly high on Guice and view him in the same tier as Barkley. I believe Washington and Richard are not proper heirs Lynch, and they haven't been good as runners even in a pinch. I'd imagine a 1-2 punch with Lynch and Guice (think Saints/Panthers) with the Washington/Richard element being phased out. Washington is a cut candidate for me going into next season's training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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