NightTrainLane Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 So you have been following him the last 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Rich7sena said: Back on topic: who's on board cutting all three of Smith, Amerson, and Irvin? I think both Smith and Irvin are safe cut projections but Amerson wouldn't cost much to keep ($2.5 million). Still, he's not a very good player and the entire secondary could use a makeover. If all three are cut we're looking at a $22,500,000 savings. With that money Reggie could lure Ansah if he wants him and sign at least one veteran corner the same caliber or better as Amerson. I am and i'd use a bit of that money to bring Carrie back. Smith is an easy cut. Irvin made a career out of his freakish athleticism which is probably gone at this point. I'd keep Carrie over Amerson and we'd probably save a bit in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Irvin is safe..... I say the easy cut is Sean Smith... bring back Carrie at a decent figure.. let jelly walk Nelson retirement still on the fence on Vanderdoes Corey James Amerson Bowman thats 7 new defensive starters and you want to create another defensive hole by cutting Irvin i think Vanderdoes and James come back as starters in 2018 but in a new scheme. Amerson 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Irvin is safe..... I say the easy cut is Sean Smith... bring back Carrie at a decent figure.. let jelly walk Nelson retirement still on the fence on Vanderdoes Corey James Amerson Bowman thats 7 new defensive starters and you want to create another defensive hole by cutting Irvin i think Vanderdoes and James come back as starters in 2018 but in a new scheme. Amerson 50/50 Im not sure Irvin is safe iirc his guaranteed money is up he can’t beat OT’s around the edge anymore dare I say he’s JAG at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, SimonGruber said: Im not sure Irvin is safe iirc his guaranteed money is up he can’t beat OT’s around the edge anymore dare I say he’s JAG at this point Pretty much. They need to upgrade the pass rush. Irvin's value for his price tag isn't worth it. Time to get younger and cheaper at pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Id bring back Amerson, hes still young enough, and who knows how much an even slightly below average safety could help him. Ive been a big get rid of Nelson for a while, even last year with his 5 INTs or whatever, the guy has no speed and cannot help outside the numbers. The guy is useless. I think Conley, Amerson / draft vet, and Carrie is good enough. Obviously this is hoping Conley can show why he was a top pick. I also think playing so far off the line can be tough of CBs, you are flat footed by the time the WR gets to you. Amerson will be 26 next season, should stil have his speed, we dont need to be giving up these massive cushions. But again, i think they do this because they have no safety help. JDR has preached limiting the big play. and the CBs are playing afraid of getting beat, but CB is such a mental thing, you cant be scared to play it IMO. Lastly, pass rush and LBs have been invisible (outside of mack) so i think any non elite CB would get exposed in our system. We arent going to be able to fix all our problems on D in one off season, and I think going heavy on front 7 again would pay off better then going heavy in secondary i guess is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 41 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Id bring back Amerson, hes still young enough, and who knows how much an even slightly below average safety could help him. Ive been a big get rid of Nelson for a while, even last year with his 5 INTs or whatever, the guy has no speed and cannot help outside the numbers. The guy is useless. I think Conley, Amerson / draft vet, and Carrie is good enough. Obviously this is hoping Conley can show why he was a top pick. I also think playing so far off the line can be tough of CBs, you are flat footed by the time the WR gets to you. Amerson will be 26 next season, should stil have his speed, we dont need to be giving up these massive cushions. But again, i think they do this because they have no safety help. JDR has preached limiting the big play. and the CBs are playing afraid of getting beat, but CB is such a mental thing, you cant be scared to play it IMO. Lastly, pass rush and LBs have been invisible (outside of mack) so i think any non elite CB would get exposed in our system. We arent going to be able to fix all our problems on D in one off season, and I think going heavy on front 7 again would pay off better then going heavy in secondary i guess is my point. We need to draft Bradley Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jerry said: We need to draft Bradley Chubb. So does every other team in the NFL. Unfortunately, the Raiders won't be drafting high enough to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, big_palooka said: So does every other team in the NFL. Unfortunately, the Raiders won't be drafting high enough to get him. Let us pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, SimonGruber said: Im not sure Irvin is safe iirc his guaranteed money is up he can’t beat OT’s around the edge anymore dare I say he’s JAG at this point He wasn’t even a pass rusher on the Seahawks, last year was a odd year for him. We blitz him a lot because we had no one else besides Mack.. i also think improving pass rush will make the dbs better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: He wasn’t even a pass rusher on the Seahawks, last year was a odd year for him. We blitz him a lot because we had no one else besides Mack.. i also think improving pass rush will make the dbs better We don’t really blitz him on our scheme; he’s supposed to be the complimentary edge rusher opposite Mack. Unfortunately, he applies little pressure and is only effective as a run defender. I think he’s either a cut or restructure; he’s not worth the $8+ million he’s getting in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: So does every other team in the NFL. Unfortunately, the Raiders won't be drafting high enough to get him. I don't know, It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the raiders where picking top 5. There isn't too many locks to win this season. I can see this team for sure losing 2-3 more games, the games against NY DAL DEN and LA can go either way. They aren't beating KC and Philly contrary to what people might think. No way Philly benches their players at week 16 with Minn and NO breathing down their necks. If the Raiders end up with a top 5 pick I'll be a very happy man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Humble_Beast said: He wasn’t even a pass rusher on the Seahawks, last year was a odd year for him. We blitz him a lot because we had no one else besides Mack.. i also think improving pass rush will make the dbs better Actually if the DBs could cover for more than 2 seconds I think we'd see an increase in sacks but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Been saying it, Bruce Irvin is not a pass rusher but is being paid like he is one. He was brought here to help out Mack and he has failed miserably. His whole career, people looked at Irvin's speed, size and athleticism and automatically assumed he'd be a good pass rusher but he never developed into that. Much to Irvin's dismay, Seattle was correct in using him the way they did. I'm in favor of him not being on the team next year. He's a solid all around player but not good enough in any one area to warrant keeping him at his current contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Chali21 said: I don't know, It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the raiders where picking top 5. There isn't too many locks to win this season. I can see this team for sure losing 2-3 more games, the games against NY DAL DEN and LA can go either way. They aren't beating KC and Philly contrary to what people might think. No way Philly benches their players at week 16 with Minn and NO breathing down their necks. If the Raiders end up with a top 5 pick I'll be a very happy man. Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Jackson, Mayfield - there will be alot of trading up and maneuvering at the top of the draft to secure some of these QBs imo. If we are picking top ten Chubb could very well be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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