Chiefer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Always pair a young QB with an offensive coach IMO. Now if whoever they hire comes in and does great with Fields, he'll be a HC in a year or two and they'll have to start over. I honestly wonder if its even worthwhile to hire a Defensive head coach with how geared towards offense the league is nowadays 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Is any one else growing tired of the hearing "what we need is a young, innovated, offensive genius" in regards to every OC/HC candidate? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chiefer said: I honestly wonder if its even worthwhile to hire a Defensive head coach with how geared towards offense the league is nowadays Same thoughts. If you get a great DC, pay him a HC salary and let him do his thing. But you basically have to have a HC that is offensive minded. Few exceptions to that rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Is any one else growing tired of the hearing "what we need is a young, innovated, offensive genius" in regards to every OC/HC candidate? Not me. it's 2022, not 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 24 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Same thoughts. If you get a great DC, pay him a HC salary and let him do his thing. But you basically have to have a HC that is offensive minded. Few exceptions to that rule. Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Ron Rivera, Sean McDermott, Pete Carroll, Mike Vrabel, Rich Bisaccia, Brandon Staley, Robert Saleh... now Eberflus it is basically half right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Trojan said: Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Ron Rivera, Sean McDermott, Pete Carroll, Mike Vrabel, Rich Bisaccia, Brandon Staley, Robert Saleh... now Eberflus it is basically half right? Bill Belichick started as a DC, but he has literally been the OC for the Pats at time. Pretending he isnt a Jack of All trades is silly. Harbaugh and Bisaccia (interim) were ST coachs And if we are being fair, some of those other coaches have kind of sucked. At least recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Ty21 said: Think FF found its most pathetic debate ****** or a turd sandwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Bill Belichick started as a DC, but he has literally been the OC for the Pats at time. Pretending he isnt a Jack of All trades is silly. Harbaugh and Bisaccia (interim) were ST coachs And if we are being fair, some of those other coaches have kind of sucked. At least recently. Flores and Fangio were the two best coaches fired this off season (unless you consider Sean Payton resigning) lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Trojan said: Flores and Fangio were the two best coaches fired this off season (unless you consider Sean Payton resigning) lol ...yeah.... and they were both fired (as you said). Hence, they were not as successful as the organization wanted them to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Always pair a young QB with an offensive coach IMO. Now if whoever they hire comes in and does great with Fields, he'll be a HC in a year or two and they'll have to start over. I think you should lean offensive minded over defensive minded for HC, but that shouldn't stop you from hiring the right guy regardless of his background. If you hire a defensive minded HC and he makes such a great decision at OC that you are doing so well that he gets hired away, that is a good thing. You have to trust your HC prepared for that and can promote internally to keep consistency without losing production. Besides getting buy in from the players, I think hiring a good staff is the most important thing a HC has to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: ...yeah.... and they were both fired (as you said). Hence, they were not as successful as the organization wanted them to be. Freddie Kitchens, Adam Gase, Anthony Lynn, Darrell Bevell, Matt Nagy, Urban Meyer, Hue Jackson, Chip Kelly... offensive guys aren't better and mess up as bad if not worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Trojan said: Freddie Kitchens, Adam Gase, Anthony Lynn, Darrell Bevell, Matt Nagy, Urban Meyer, Hue Jackson, Chip Kelly... offensive guys aren't better and mess up as bad if not worse. Im not sure your point... Belichick excluded (as he is an all around coach)... Reid, Shanny, MLF, McVay.... All the dudes that are consistently in the playoffs/superbowl are offensive guys. Hell, even Taylor, Pederson, etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: Same thoughts. If you get a great DC, pay him a HC salary and let him do his thing. But you basically have to have a HC that is offensive minded. Few exceptions to that rule. And even if you find a genius OC for your QB, he’ll probably get a HC job from the success you have. Outside of Belicheck and Carroll, im not recalling a defensive minded coach winning a SB in the last 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Trojan said: Freddie Kitchens, Adam Gase, Anthony Lynn, Darrell Bevell, Matt Nagy, Urban Meyer, Hue Jackson, Chip Kelly... offensive guys aren't better and mess up as bad if not worse. Those are just bad coaches though lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Chiefer said: And even if you find a genius OC for your QB, he’ll probably get a HC job from the success you have. Outside of Belicheck and Carroll, im not recalling a defensive minded coach winning a SB in the last 10 years Super bowl maybe not, but Harbaugh/Tomlin/Vrabel along with the two you mentioned aren’t offensive minds either. Those all are arguably in the top 10-12 coaches in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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