notthatbluestuff Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Now that Big Ben has joined Eli and Rivers in the annals of "former NFL QBs" it seems an apt time to ask this timeless question. Is it '83? (Marino, Elway, Kelly) Or '00? (draft class that includes Brady > draft classes that don't include Brady) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: Now that Big Ben has joined Eli and Rivers in the annals of "former NFL QBs" it seems an apt time to ask this timeless question. Is it '83? (Marino, Elway, Kelly) Or '00? (draft class that includes Brady > draft classes that don't include Brady) I mean Marino/Elway/Kelly is objectively better. Marino and Elway are clearly higher on all time lists than everyone in the other section and Kelly is ballpark at worst with the 04 class. In fact he has an All Pro which nobody in the 04 class has and he is 3rd all time in SB appearances. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2000 mic drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 83 is, without a doubt. Elway, Kelly, and Marino are HOF. Ken O'Brien had a decent career. Also, I think that Todd Blackledge, while not great, didn't really get a chance in KC. In addition, you had other QB's like Reggie Collier (Joel Buchsbaum had him rated in his top-3 QB's that year, but he was black, and the stigma was still there. That's what may have hurt him) and Bobby Hebert who went to the USFL, and you had Gary Kubiak, who was a fine backup (and future HC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Madden 2010's Jack English (John Elway), Kelly James (Jim Kelly), and Dane Marrow (Dan Marino)... but it also had this guy Tim Tribow... '84 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Honorable Mention 1971 Jim Plunkett Ken Anderson Archie Manning Joe Theismann Dan Pastorini Lynn Dickey Edited January 27, 2022 by SkippyX 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I was going to throw out 2017 but after Mahomes and Watson there’s nothing. 04 had those 3 plus another good QB in Schaub. If Mike White and/or Baker Mayfield do something on top of having Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, 2018 might have a say in this down the road. But I’m not going to be contrarian. It’s 83. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 '83 wins. But '04 puts up the best fight of any other draft class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 04 is actually one of the most overrated classes. Ben was hardly ever THE guy on the Steelers, Eli was extremely volatile and Rivers kinda sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, biggie. said: Rivers kinda sucked. Your standards are way too high if you think Rivers "kinda sucked". He's fringe HOF lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, MagicMT said: Your standards are way too high if you think Rivers "kinda sucked". He's fringe HOF lol Rivers is one of those guys who people think is elite because of fantasy football. When you actually watch him play he wasn't anything special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, biggie. said: Rivers is one of those guys who people think is elite because of fantasy football. When you actually watch him play he wasn't anything special. He was a Franchise guy, but he's clearly not Hall of Fame IMO. Hall of Very Good and consistent. But all timer? Not by any chance. It's also disingenuous to say "he kinda sucked". Baker Mayfield, kinda sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 83 easily, but damn that 71 class was great too Marino, Elway and Kelly are all three better than anyone in the 04 class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, fluhartz said: 83 easily, but damn that 71 class was great too Marino, Elway and Kelly are all three better than anyone in the 04 class Kelly is INSANELY OVERRATED https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm He was elite in 1990 and 1991, the rest? Not so much. He has a 1960's level 20 TDs and 28 picks in the playoffs. No one else who is considered great is even close to that bad. How do you even do that on a team full of HoF players at skill positions? Some of the greatest moments of his team happened with the backup playing. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm He had 4 TDs to 8 picks in AFCCGs He had 2 TDs to 7 picks in Super Bowls. Does he deserve extra credit for those team wins? (outside of his 2nd AFCCG vs the Raiders) He made a pro bowl with 15 TDs and 17 interceptions. His passer rating ranks per year: 8th 10th 13th 6th 1st 3rd 10th 13th 7th 18th 21st The list of QBs that were better than Kelly is very long. He's in the Hall mostly because his team went 9-4 in the playoffs in 4 years. He did not play in 2 of those wins, including the most famous one. Edited January 28, 2022 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 hours ago, biggie. said: Rivers is one of those guys who people think is elite because of fantasy football. When you actually watch him play he wasn't anything special. LMFAO. Rivers was one of the most accurate passers in the league for a decade and a half. Next to nobody threw intermediate routes better than Rivers. His timing on out routes was ridiculously good. His number 1 options for the latter half of his career were a BEYOND WASHED Robert Meachem, Keenan Allen (literally hurt half the time from 2015-16), and a return specialist (Eddie Royal). Beyond that, he had Danny Woodhead and old man Gates. Oh, and some of the worst offensive lines in the league with no real running game either. 2018, when he actually had weapons (Allen, Williams, Gates, Henry, Ekeler) he had an amazing season that is MVP caliber in numerous other seasons in the modern day. Rivers would never wow you with a rifling throw in the ways that a Mahomes, Marino, Herbert, etc could, but he was very accurate and great at throwing his receivers open. He has a skillset more along the lines of a Drew Brees (although Brees is markedly better). Might not have the greatest highlight reel, but he was damn good, and the stats back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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