AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, ET80 said: 2013 to 2017, as @Bullet Club showed. ET have you considered that if you exclude all playoff games, Superbowl wins, and Superbowl MVP's that Tom Brady just wasn't that good during those years? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: ET have you considered that if you exclude all playoff games, Superbowl wins, and Superbowl MVP's that Tom Brady just wasn't that good during those years? I for one like to ignore all accomplishments when I am trying to gauge a player. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: I for one like to ignore all accomplishments when I am trying to gauge a player. Step 1: Ignore all positives Step 2: Focus soley on the negatives Step 3: $$$$ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I dunno. Brady's 2008 season was pretty bad to be fair. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: I dunno. Brady's 2008 season was pretty bad to be fair. Looking at the stats, he got benched after one game???? Loser. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I'm... I'm just so proud of all of you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Two time All Decade team, Seven time SB winner, Five time SB MVP, three time league MVP, two time OPOY. Don't forget 3 All Pros. Quote None of his peers in these two decades comes anywhere close to this Really? Because last I checked Manning has 5 MVPs and 7 All Pros. None of those accolades indicate a dominant peak. They indicate sustained excellence over a period of time. Do you know what the work "peak" means? Quote heck, his peers don't even have 5 SB appearances, let alone 5 SB MVPs. It's almost as if he was playing for a top-5 coach coach in NFL history. Team accomplishments do not indicate individual dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ET80 said: 2013 to 2017, as @Bullet Club showed. OK I will break these years later on. Rest assured they are not a dominant peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ET80 said: 2013 to 2017, as @Bullet Club showed. I mean, just look at the first year you are including. In 2013 Manning complete destroyed the league. Looking at the advance stats, Manning is 1st in DVOA and DYAR by a country mile. It's one of the greatest QB years in the history of the league. Brady is 11th and 6th, respectively. Manning created almost TRIPLE (3x) the value that Brady did in this year. By including 2013 in the years that you believe Brady was the most dominant QB who elevated himself above his peers, you've completely disqualified yourself from appearing like you know the slightest thing about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 This is official now, right? RIP (Retire In Peace) GOAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnChimpo Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: I mean, just look at the first year you are including. In 2013 Manning complete destroyed the league. Looking at the advance stats, Manning is 1st in DVOA and DYAR by a country mile. It's one of the greatest QB years in the history of the league. Brady is 11th and 6th, respectively. Manning created almost TRIPLE (3x) the value that Brady did in this year. By including 2013 in the years that you believe Brady was the most dominant QB who elevated himself above his peers, you've completely disqualified yourself from appearing like you know the slightest thing about football. Somewhat fair, but Manning did not play well in the Super Bowl that year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Don't forget 3 All Pros. The All Decades trump the All Pros - given that they're selected by the same circle of people. 38 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Really? Because last I checked Manning has 5 MVPs and 7 All Pros. Zero All Decade nods, however. You'd think he'd get one of em if he was better than Brady. 38 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Do you know what the work "peak" means? Work peak? Hmm. Not sure what a Work Peak is. Seven SBs in a career is a work peak, I'd say. 38 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: It's almost as if he was playing for a top-5 coach coach in NFL history. Yet, Peyton Manning with a HoF coach accomplished in Tony Dungy... No All Decades, one SB MVP. So maybe there's some player driven context? Or is this another case where a HoF WR and HoF RB aren't enough? Maybe if we subbed out Marvin Harrison for a stud like Julian Edelman, or Edgerrin James for a guy like *checks notes* James White. Maybe, just MAYBE Manning would have done more... if he had less. 38 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Team accomplishments do not indicate individual dominance. Given the team hasn't accomplished it since he left, and he accomplished it with another team, I'd say that's pretty individually dominant. But, I dunno if you're going to read all these "works" so who knows... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, ET80 said: Given the team hasn't accomplished it since he left, and he accomplished it with another team, I'd say that's pretty individually dominant. But, I dunno if you're going to read all these "works". NO NO NO NO NO NO you are FORGETTING that he left Bill Belichick's system for Bruce Arians, another HOF coach! Therefore it doesn't count. Not only that, but playing with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Rob Gronkowski and Leonard Fournette behind a top 5 OL pfft anyone can do that which is why the Bucs prior to Brady joining were a perennial powerhouse in the AFC So- oh wait they were 7-9 the previous year before Brady joined and they've been 11-5 (Superbowl win) and 13-4 (AFC Divisional Loss) since. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Brady isn't even good he just is lucky, like anyone could go to 10 SB's in 22 years playing the NFL and win 7 of them lol like come on. Guy couldn't even beat Nick Foles in the SB what a loser haha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 37 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: you've completely disqualified yourself from appearing like you know the slightest thing about football. The irony here is so thick you could cut it with a knife... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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