RpMc Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: It amazes me anyone has any idea if this is better or worse than harbaugh..... Congratulations to him and the Vikings. I doubt they are doing this with just Cousins in mind. I'd guess the GM plans to be here much longer than that ...much. Sorry for the lack of hawtness If we are going off of hawtness, O’Connell is objectively better looking. our decision making battery is better looking that your decision making battery Edited February 3, 2022 by RpMc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kparty15 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Kevin O’Connell and Brian Flores were both on the Patriots in 2008. Any chance at Flores as a DC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, Kparty15 said: Kevin O’Connell and Brian Flores were both on the Patriots in 2008. Any chance at Flores as a DC? No way the Wilfs would alienate themselves from the other owners, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kparty15 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: No way the Wilfs would alienate themselves from the other owners, IMO. He would definitely be a DC that wouldn’t be leaving for a HC job anytime soon so the consistency would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybrowner47 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I’m definitely extremely disappointed by Harbaugh leaving but who knows maybe we dodged a bullet. I want to believe O’Connell is the answer but as a lifelong Vikings fan I’m programmed to expect the worst. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: No way the Wilfs would alienate themselves from the other owners, IMO. Maybe but if that is the case shame on them, just a little perspective on the issue at hand for all NFL owners. Every Black head coach hired in the NFL since 2000, and if there are two dates that means they were hired with two different organizations. In bold is the one remaining. 2001 / 2006 Herm Edwards 2002 Tony Dungy 2003 Marvin Lewis 2004 / 2014 Lovie Smith 2004 Dennis Green 2005 / 2012 Romeo Crennel 2006 Art Shell2007 Mike Tomlin 2008 Mike Singletary 2009 / 2014 Jim Caldwell 2009 Raheem Morris 2011 Leslie Frazier 2011 / 2016 Hue Jackson 2015 Todd Bowles 2017 Vance Joseph 2017 Anthony Lynn 2018 Steve Wilks 2019 Brian Flores 2021 David Culley I do not even want to pretend to make a list of white guys hired in the same time period, it would probably be what a few hundred names? This is a list of 19 names in 21 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCountryEvo Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I guess the biggest questions going forward will be what staff O’Connell can bring in and what the game plan will be with Cousins. My hope is that he can follow the McVay game plan and bring in a solid DC with experience (Wink, Fangio, Etc) and hopefully someone like Muchack for the O-line. The D and our O-line are the biggest team concerns outside of QB, and I think that will be O’Connell’s main project. Contrary to assumptions from other’s, I don’t think that O’Connell’s experience with Cousins for one year in DC increases the chances of us retaining him or extending him. I feel like a new GM and new head coach are not going to want to be tied to an old regime’s QB… especially not one that is taking up so much of the cap. I don’t expect a rebuild this year, but a revamp and retool is completely possible. Shipping Cousins off, even for less than a 1st leaves a void at the most important position on the team, but it pulls off the bandaid that could be holding the team back financially. Bring in a stopgap QB for a year or two, have them compete with Mond (who can finally get a fair shake at being coached up), and probably invest in QB through the draft even if this is a weak class. The team is trying a new approach to the future. We can’t just dip our toe into the pool, we need to dive in and take some swings. It won’t always work, but we can’t stick with the status quo of the past decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 56 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: It amazes me anyone has any idea if this is better or worse than harbaugh..... Congratulations to him and the Vikings. I doubt they are doing this with just Cousins in mind. I'd guess the GM plans to be here much longer than that ...much. Sorry for the lack of hawtness Indeed. Harbaugh was more of a known, but the unknown might be better. It's like people who immediately label a draft pick a bust because it's not the guy they wanted to draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Maybe but if that is the case shame on them, just a little perspective on the issue at hand for all NFL owners. Every Black head coach hired in the NFL since 2000, and if there are two dates that means they were hired with two different organizations. In bold is the one remaining. 2001 / 2006 Herm Edwards 2002 Tony Dungy 2003 Marvin Lewis 2004 / 2014 Lovie Smith 2004 Dennis Green 2005 / 2012 Romeo Crennel 2006 Art Shell2007 Mike Tomlin 2008 Mike Singletary 2009 / 2014 Jim Caldwell 2009 Raheem Morris 2011 Leslie Frazier 2011 / 2016 Hue Jackson 2015 Todd Bowles 2017 Vance Joseph 2017 Anthony Lynn 2018 Steve Wilks 2019 Brian Flores 2021 David Culley I do not even want to pretend to make a list of white guys hired in the same time period, it would probably be what a few hundred names? This is a list of 19 names in 21 years. I’m don’t disagree with you, but we can’t go too much farther down that path here. I was just stating what I think is most likely and realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric dunn Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I did want Harbaugh. I felt like he gave MIN the best chance to win a SB in the next few years. BUT i do believe that Kevin gives the Vikings a better chance at long term success, because i dont think there will be a pressure/expectation to win. As there may have been with JH. I think they can take the long term approach, maintain offensive continuity & hopefully have someone (KO) help develop a young QB. So while im not exactly thrilled with this hire i do think in the bigger picture outlook, it was the right move. Plus i think Harbaugh may have been too similar to Zim in regards to a tough nosed & old school HC, who can wear thin on players. Some may disagree, but i think KO coming in as HC makes it MORE likely that the Vikings trade Cousins. Because i think this move means that KAM will be free to do whats best for the future of the team now, rather than be somewhat restricted with a older coach who feels the need to win now. Plus who's to say the KO loved what he saw with Cousins. I would think a young HC would want his own young QB of his selection to groom. Regardless of any previous relationships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Just now, Eric dunn said: I did want Harbaugh. I felt like he gave MIN the best chance to win a SB in the next few years. BUT i do believe that Kevin gives the Vikings a better chance at long term success, because i dont think there will be a pressure/expectation to win. As there may have been with JH. I think they can take the long term approach, maintain offensive continuity & hopefully have someone (KO) help develop a young QB. So while im not exactly thrilled with this hire i do think in the bigger picture outlook, it was the right move. Plus i think Harbaugh may have been too similar to Zim in regards to a tough nosed & old school HC, who can wear thin on players. Some may disagree, but i think KO coming in as HC makes it MORE likely that the Vikings trade Cousins. Because i think this move means that KAM will be free to do whats best for the future of the team now, rather than be somewhat restricted with a older coach who feels the need to win now. Plus who's to say the KO loved what he saw with Cousins. I would think a young HC would want his own young QB of his selection to groom. Regardless of any previous relationships. The other side of this is if O'Connell flops, it is going to look really, really bad for KAM that he passed on a proven winner like Harbaugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 i guess it's the KAM/KOC Show now. an interesting day, it was.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: The other side of this is if O'Connell flops, it is going to look really, really bad for KAM that he passed on a proven winner like Harbaugh. oh, for all we know KAM wanted Harbaugh badly and the Wilfs did not. we move on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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