jrry32 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 If I had to take a QB in the first two rounds in this class, it would probably be Sam Howell at the end of the first or early in the second round. Like Goff, Howell relies a lot on his pass blocking. If you can protect him, he can do damage. But frankly, I think I'd spend a Day 3 pick on Jack Coan to get the Lions a solid backup in the short term and wait until next year on anything further at QB. (See if Goff can build on his end of the season run, and hope there are better options next year if he doesn't.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I'd like to explore trading for Gardner Minshew. Seems like an absolute Dan Campbell guy who can push Goff and be a respectable back up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 17 hours ago, Nnivolcm said: I'd like to explore trading for Gardner Minshew. Seems like an absolute Dan Campbell guy who can push Goff and be a respectable back up. I think that’s a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenhater Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I can't believe I'm going to say this...but Goff looked good enough the last quarter of the year that I think we legitimately need to give him a chance.(and some weapons) I don't think any of the QBs in this draft are an upgrade over him. And let's be honest there's no pressure to take one. If there was a good one available i'd be all for it but there's not so don't force it. We have holes at every position that we could really go BPA for real and build a legit team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 16 hours ago, diehardlionfan said: I think that’s a great idea. The ONLY issue that I have with this is that it will create a QB controversy if Goff starts to struggle a little bit. Everyone loves the back up QB. I like Minshew but he's also not likely the long term answer. So what are you really getting out of the potential controversy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Karnage84 said: The ONLY issue that I have with this is that it will create a QB controversy if Goff starts to struggle a little bit. Everyone loves the back up QB. I like Minshew but he's also not likely the long term answer. So what are you really getting out of the potential controversy? I've always thought that controversy makes the cream rise to the crop. If he can't beat out Minshew, he shouldn't be starting. Also, just because fans' favorite player is the backup qb, doesn't mean the coaching staff feels the same way. The controversy, imo, only occurs if the coaching staff mismanages the situation. Always start with putting talent on your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, LionArkie said: I've always thought that controversy makes the cream rise to the crop. If he can't beat out Minshew, he shouldn't be starting. Also, just because fans' favorite player is the backup qb, doesn't mean the coaching staff feels the same way. The controversy, imo, only occurs if the coaching staff mismanages the situation. Always start with putting talent on your team. That's kind of my concern (albeit a small one)... mismanaging of it. I like Minshew and would love for him to be a Lion but he's a stop gap in the same sense that Goff is. We'd just have a stronger back up position than we've had since Shaun Hill was in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Karnage84 said: The ONLY issue that I have with this is that it will create a QB controversy if Goff starts to struggle a little bit. Everyone loves the back up QB. I like Minshew but he's also not likely the long term answer. So what are you really getting out of the potential controversy? We already have a QB controversy. We don't know if Goff is the guy going forward or not. If Goff can't handle the stress of a capable back up I'd say it's a strong indicator he's not the guy going forward. Avoiding bringing in because they might be too much competition seems like the opposite of the culture Campbell is trying to build. Edited February 10, 2022 by Nnivolcm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Karnage84 said: That's kind of my concern (albeit a small one)... mismanaging of it. I like Minshew and would love for him to be a Lion but he's a stop gap in the same sense that Goff is. We'd just have a stronger back up position than we've had since Shaun Hill was in town. I know you're not that concerned with this as you have stated, but for the sake of argument...If Campbell loses the team by creating a qb controversy with Goff and Minshew then he is not the right guy for the job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Karnage84 said: The ONLY issue that I have with this is that it will create a QB controversy if Goff starts to struggle a little bit. Everyone loves the back up QB. I like Minshew but he's also not likely the long term answer. So what are you really getting out of the potential controversy? I don’t think it’s a controversy. The Lions need a better back up and I think Minshew offers that. I’m not looking at it as a solution if Goff struggles. I expect Goff would have to work through that. However in case of injury it would be nice to think the Lions had a chance. If, I saw it as causing controversy I would share your concern. The only people talking up QB of the future is the fans. I see no indication the Lions are looking to replace Goff. Once Campbell straightened out his play calling Goff played really well. Certainly well enough that QB isn’t a pressing issue. Ive been trying to figure out what an extension for Goff might look like. I don’t believe he’s worth the $$$$ he currently receives so if the Lions brain trust determines he’s their guy how much would it take to sign him? Edited February 10, 2022 by diehardlionfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 19 hours ago, LionArkie said: I know you're not that concerned with this as you have stated, but for the sake of argument...If Campbell loses the team by creating a qb controversy with Goff and Minshew then he is not the right guy for the job. The only way he would create a controversy is if Goff struggles. Its Goff's job right now, if he plays like he did down the stretch then he is fine and doesnt have to worry. If he plays like he started the season then there would be controversy, and rightly so. Even then I am not sure it would be controversy as much as he would just lose his job. Minshew isn't an unknown commodity that people want to see what he has. If Goff can't hold of Minshew, he really doesnt deserve to run the team anyways. I think he would be fine and we would have a better backup but at the same time, I would rather have a younger guy with more upside, even though their floor might be lower than Minshews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said: The only way he would create a controversy is if Goff struggles. Its Goff's job right now, if he plays like he did down the stretch then he is fine and doesnt have to worry. If he plays like he started the season then there would be controversy, and rightly so. Even then I am not sure it would be controversy as much as he would just lose his job. Minshew isn't an unknown commodity that people want to see what he has. If Goff can't hold of Minshew, he really doesnt deserve to run the team anyways. I think he would be fine and we would have a better backup but at the same time, I would rather have a younger guy with more upside, even though their floor might be lower than Minshews. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I have no issue though bringing on a Minshew. I'd rather do thatvs selecting an intriguing prospect in the top 3 rounds of this draft. Edited February 11, 2022 by LionArkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 39 minutes ago, LionArkie said: That's pretty much how I feel about it. I have no issue though bringing on a Minshew. I'd rather do thatvs selecting an intriguing prospect in the top 3 rounds of this draft. Same but I am more top 2 rounds. If Pickett, Willis, Strong, Zappe or Levis are there in the 3rd or later I am ok taking them. But i dont want to spend a top 34 pick on any of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: Same but I am more top 2 rounds. If Pickett, Willis, Strong, Zappe or Levis are there in the 3rd or later I am ok taking them. But i dont want to spend a top 34 pick on any of them. Will Levis returned to Kentucky. I'm not very high on Bailey Zappe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, jrry32 said: Will Levis returned to Kentucky. I'm not very high on Bailey Zappe. My bad on Levis. I like Zappe. I saw him live against MSU this year and he made some NFL throws that game. I don't think he is a stud and shouldnt be drafted high but I think he will at worst be a solid backup and has the potential and tools to develop in an NFL system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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