JETS FLY UP TO #2 MOCK - 5 RD

[Karnage84]

While listening to Woodward Sports, it was mentioned that the Jets are targeting an OT. If a number of the mocks  out there are accurate, Jacksonville should be taking an OT at #1 overall. This potentially could lead the Jets wanting to trade up and guarantee they get one of the top level OT's in this draft. 

Trade:

Jets trade pick #4, #35, #38 (2870 points) - select Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State

Lions trade pick #2 (2600 points)

HOU selects Aidan Hutchinson at #3

• Pick #4 - Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame > Defensive weapon. Can play all over as a playmaker

Broncos trade pick #64 (2), pick #75 (3), pick #144 (5), 2023 1st - Select Kenny Pickett

Lions trade pick #32, pick #35 (2)

• Pick #34: Perrion Winfrey, DT, Oklahoma > Disruptive interior pass-rusher
• Pick #38: Drake London, WR, USC > Big body WR in the mold of Mike Evans
• Pick #64: Darrian Beavers, LB, Cincinnati > Draft comp is Zavian Collins. Adds to upgrading the middle of the defense
• Pick #66: Calvin Austin III, WR, Memphis > Explosive WR that adds value in the return game
• Pick #75: Myjai Sanders, Edge, Cincinnati > Developmental edge
• Pick #97: Cade Otton, TE, Washington > TE2 and future compliment/replacement for TJ Hockenson
• Pick #144: Tyrese Robinson, OG, Oklahoma > Developmental guard/depth
• Pick #176: Tyler Shough, Texas Tech > Toolsy QB prospect. Transferred from Oregon to Texas Tech. 66.45 completion rate. Injured collarbone.

 

 

 

[Louis Friend]

I don't mind the first trade. I like the Hamilton pick.

I don't like the second trade. I know it's to add more picks and a 1st net year, but I don't like moving 32 & 35 for that. 

I wish Drake London would be available there but I think he goes mid-1st rd. I've been hyping up London/Burks for months and now everyone else has caught up. Both will be gone by #32. Although I'm praying some teams reach for guys in the mid-to-late first round. We need Pats, Seattle and Raiders to do their thing. We know the Pakcers won't draft a WR. Who knows what the Chiefs or Bucs will do. 

[Sllim Pickens]

19 hours ago, Louis Friend said:

I don't mind the first trade. I like the Hamilton pick.

I don't like the second trade. I know it's to add more picks and a 1st net year, but I don't like moving 32 & 35 for that. 

I wish Drake London would be available there but I think he goes mid-1st rd. I've been hyping up London/Burks for months and now everyone else has caught up. Both will be gone by #32. Although I'm praying some teams reach for guys in the mid-to-late first round. We need Pats, Seattle and Raiders to do their thing. We know the Pakcers won't draft a WR. Who knows what the Chiefs or Bucs will do. 

Thats pretty much my exact thoughts as well other than I'd like to add I love Kyle Hamilton but also not sure I'd take him over Kayvon.  

I agree the second trade is not great value.  We are giving up a lot for what could end up being a late first the next year.  At best its a mid 1st next year.  I would trade 32 alone for a 1st next year and the third this year or something similar but I wouldn't give up both picks in a deal. 

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

On 2/9/2022 at 10:24 AM, Karnage84 said:

While listening to Woodward Sports, it was mentioned that the Jets are targeting an OT. If a number of the mocks  out there are accurate, Jacksonville should be taking an OT at #1 overall. This potentially could lead the Jets wanting to trade up and guarantee they get one of the top level OT's in this draft. 

Trade:

Jets trade pick #4, #35, #38 (2870 points) - select Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State

Lions trade pick #2 (2600 points)

HOU selects Aidan Hutchinson at #3

• Pick #4 - Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame > Defensive weapon. Can play all over as a playmaker

Broncos trade pick #64 (2), pick #75 (3), pick #144 (5), 2023 1st - Select Kenny Pickett

Lions trade pick #32, pick #35 (2)

• Pick #34: Perrion Winfrey, DT, Oklahoma > Disruptive interior pass-rusher
• Pick #38: Drake London, WR, USC > Big body WR in the mold of Mike Evans
• Pick #64: Darrian Beavers, LB, Cincinnati > Draft comp is Zavian Collins. Adds to upgrading the middle of the defense
• Pick #66: Calvin Austin III, WR, Memphis > Explosive WR that adds value in the return game
• Pick #75: Myjai Sanders, Edge, Cincinnati > Developmental edge
• Pick #97: Cade Otton, TE, Washington > TE2 and future compliment/replacement for TJ Hockenson
• Pick #144: Tyrese Robinson, OG, Oklahoma > Developmental guard/depth
• Pick #176: Tyler Shough, Texas Tech > Toolsy QB prospect. Transferred from Oregon to Texas Tech. 66.45 completion rate. Injured collarbone.

 

 

 

Dude. Are you kidding me?!? 🤭😆🤭.

The Jets have worked way too hard to acquire the NFLs #1 Draft Capital with two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, one 3rd round pick, two 4th round picks and two 5th round picks (9 picks first 5 rounds) just to "throw it all away". 

Yes.

We want an OT (and we'll get one too).

And without having to get screwed in a trade up for one too. 

Because @ pick #4?

One of either Evan Neal or Ikem Ekwonu will be there @ #4 overall (two O-Linemen who our Front Office loves). 

And if not?

We also want an edge pass rusher and really bad too (haven't had one in 18 years since dating back to 2005 with #94 John Abraham) so if both Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu are both gone (highly unlikely) guess what?

One of either Kayvon Thibodeaux or Aidan Hutchinson will fall right into our Jets and coach Robert Saleh's laps. 

1.) OT: Evan Neal.  

2.) Edge: Kayvon Thibodeaux.  

3.) OT/OG: Ikem Ekwonu.  

4.) Edge: Aidan Hutchinson. 

5.) FS: Kyle Hamilton.  

And at least one of these 5 beast players (above) will be available for us @ pick #4 overall (HELLLOOOO). 

The Jets have holes everywhere @ O-Line/Edge/WR/TE/LB and you think we'd really trade away #4 overall plus both super early 2nd round picks in order to move up "two spots"? 🤭

That's about the worst trade proposal I've ever witnessed and all Jets fans would laugh @ it. 

#4 overall: OT Evan Neal or OT/OG Ikem Ekwonu. 

#10 overall: WR Drake London or Edge Jermaine Johnson II. 

#35 overall: TE Trey McBride or TE Jaylen Wydermyer.  

#38 overall: RB Breece Hall (or another dynamic WR or another O-Linemen). 

And you really think our GM would throw it (that, above) all away in order to have only 2 players during the first 2 rounds instead of 4 Impact day 1 starters?

🤭😆🤭

Worst trade idea ever man because if anything our Jets are planning to trade back down from #10th overall to Pittsburgh (so they can get their QB) to #20th of the 1st round while landing another 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick from Pittsburgh; and still drafting WR Jahan Dotson @ #20 overall. 

(See below what a trade down for NYJ with Pittsburgh looks like).

#4 overall (1st round).

#20 overall from Pittsburgh (1st round).

#35 overall (2nd round). 

#38 overall (2nd round). 

#52 overall from Pittsburgh (2nd round).

#69 overall (3rd round).

#84 overall from Pittsburgh (3rd round). 

#109 overall (4th round).

#115 overall (4th round). 

Giving us 9 draft picks before heading into the 5th round (#145 and #162). 

There is no way (0.00%) our GM will trade up. If anything he's looking to trade back from #10 into the mid/late 1st round to draft Jahan Dotson while gaining extra 2nd and 3rd round pick(s).

PS: Not laughing @ you just laughing @ the idea of going from 4 picks within the first two rounds ala 4 impact players within the first 38 picks (for the first time in Franchise history since dating back to 1986) to only 2 picks within the first two rounds and all for what? For only slots ahead? Giving up #4/#35/#38 for only #2 overall?

That's insane.  

Keep mocking away. Just leave our Jets out of it. Because a trade up for NYJ isn't happening (way too many roster holes to fill). 

Edited February 17, 2022 by DefenseWinsChampionships

[Karnage84]

6 hours ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said:

Dude. Are you kidding me?!? 🤭😆🤭.

The Jets have worked way too hard to acquire the NFLs #1 Draft Capital with two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, one 3rd round pick, two 4th round picks and two 5th round picks (9 picks first 5 rounds) just to "throw it all away". 

Yes.

We want an OT (and we'll get one too).

And without having to get screwed in a trade up for one too. 

Because @ pick #4?

One of either Evan Neal or Ikem Ekwonu will be there @ #4 overall (two O-Linemen who our Front Office loves). 

And if not?

We also want an edge pass rusher and really bad too (haven't had one in 18 years since dating back to 2005 with #94 John Abraham) so if both Evan Neal and Ikem Ekwonu are both gone (highly unlikely) guess what?

One of either Kayvon Thibodeaux or Aidan Hutchinson will fall right into our Jets and coach Robert Saleh's laps. 

1.) OT: Evan Neal.  

2.) Edge: Kayvon Thibodeaux.  

3.) OT/OG: Ikem Ekwonu.  

4.) Edge: Aidan Hutchinson. 

5.) FS: Kyle Hamilton.  

And at least one of these 5 beast players (above) will be available for us @ pick #4 overall (HELLLOOOO). 

The Jets have holes everywhere @ O-Line/Edge/WR/TE/LB and you think we'd really trade away #4 overall plus both super early 2nd round picks in order to move up "two spots"? 🤭

That's about the worst trade proposal I've ever witnessed and all Jets fans would laugh @ it. 

#4 overall: OT Evan Neal or OT/OG Ikem Ekwonu. 

#10 overall: WR Drake London or Edge Jermaine Johnson II. 

#35 overall: TE Trey McBride or TE Jaylen Wydermyer.  

#38 overall: RB Breece Hall (or another dynamic WR or another O-Linemen). 

And you really think our GM would throw it (that, above) all away in order to have only 2 players during the first 2 rounds instead of 4 Impact day 1 starters?

🤭😆🤭

Worst trade idea ever man because if anything our Jets are planning to trade back down from #10th overall to Pittsburgh (so they can get their QB) to #20th of the 1st round while landing another 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick from Pittsburgh; and still drafting WR Jahan Dotson @ #20 overall. 

(See below what a trade down for NYJ with Pittsburgh looks like).

#4 overall (1st round).

#20 overall from Pittsburgh (1st round).

#35 overall (2nd round). 

#38 overall (2nd round). 

#52 overall from Pittsburgh (2nd round).

#69 overall (3rd round).

#84 overall from Pittsburgh (3rd round). 

#109 overall (4th round).

#115 overall (4th round). 

Giving us 9 draft picks before heading into the 5th round (#145 and #162). 

There is no way (0.00%) our GM will trade up. If anything he's looking to trade back from #10 into the mid/late 1st round to draft Jahan Dotson while gaining extra 2nd and 3rd round pick(s).

PS: Not laughing @ you just laughing @ the idea of going from 4 picks within the first two rounds ala 4 impact players within the first 38 picks (for the first time in Franchise history since dating back to 1986) to only 2 picks within the first two rounds and all for what? For only slots ahead? Giving up #4/#35/#38 for only #2 overall?

That's insane.  

Keep mocking away. Just leave our Jets out of it. Because a trade up for NYJ isn't happening (way too many roster holes to fill). 

You've put a lot of thought into this knowing that the Jets are only going to hurt you again, regardless of whether this trade happens or not. 

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

3 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

You've put a lot of thought into this knowing that the Jets are only going to hurt you again, regardless of whether this trade happens or not. 

Nope.

I've got to experience 3 AFC Championship Game loses in my lifetime 1998 (@ Denver), 2009 (@ Indianapolis) and 2010 (@ Pittsburgh).

So if I could overcome that hurt? I can overcome anything (as a Jets fan).

I've also got to experience some exciting playoff wins too 1998 Jax (Mark Brunell), 2002 Indy and Peyton Manning (41-0), 2004 SD (Philip Rivers), 2009 Bengals (Carson Palmer), 2009 Chargers (Philip Rivers), 2010 Colts (Peyton Manning) and 2010 New England Patriots (Tom Brady) etc. 

Now the type of Football hurt I couldn't deal with is Detroit Lions type of hurt ala not a single postseason playoffs win since dating back to 1991 of 31 years ago (I was only 6 years old) and having to ever watch a former Jets QB leave us in order to win a SB elsewhere (Matthew Stafford).

Now that's some hurt right there (you've gotta respect you Detroit Lions fans for always coming back for some more). 

And in all seriousness it's a great time for our NY Jets fan base because we've never seen anything quite like this upcoming Offseason before. 

A.) Franchise QB already in place (Zach Wilson).

B.) Head Coach in Robert Saleh (who we all love). 

C.) Top 5 Available Salary Cap Space.

D.) The NFLs #1 Draft Capital with two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, one 3rd round pick, two 4th round picks and two 5th round picks ala 9 picks within just the first 5 rounds (first time in Franchise history). 

In closing I was only here looking to read up on some Matthew Stafford posts and then I stumbled upon this thread and couldn't stop 🤭😆🤭 because we've got the 4th overall pick; so why on earth would a team trade their #4 overall (1st round), #35 overall (3rd pick of 2nd round) and #38 overall (6th pick of the 2nd round) just in order to move up "two slots"? That's insane man.

Using 4/35/38 for #2? I'd break my TV. 

Evan Neal (OT).

Kayvon Thibodeaux (Edge). 

Ikem Ekwonu (OT/OG).

Aidan Hutchinson (Edge).

Kyle Hamilton (Safety).

One of these 5 beast players are guaranteed to be there at #4 overall (and one might even fall to us @ #10 overall too). 

Using 4/35/38 for #2? I'd break my TV. 

[Karnage84]

5 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said:

Nope.

I've got to experience 3 AFC Championship Game loses in my lifetime 1998 (@ Denver), 2009 (@ Indianapolis) and 2010 (@ Pittsburgh).

So if I could overcome that hurt? I can overcome anything (as a Jets fan).

I've also got to experience some exciting playoff wins too 1998 Jax (Mark Brunell), 2002 Indy and Peyton Manning (41-0), 2004 SD (Philip Rivers), 2009 Bengals (Carson Palmer), 2009 Chargers (Philip Rivers), 2010 Colts (Peyton Manning) and 2010 New England Patriots (Tom Brady) etc. 

Now the type of Football hurt I couldn't deal with is Detroit Lions type of hurt ala not a single postseason playoffs win since dating back to 1991 of 31 years ago (I was only 6 years old) and having to ever watch a former Jets QB leave us in order to win a SB elsewhere (Matthew Stafford).

Now that's some hurt right there (you've gotta respect you Detroit Lions fans for always coming back for some more). 

And in all seriousness it's a great time for our NY Jets fan base because we've never seen anything quite like this upcoming Offseason before. 

A.) Franchise QB already in place (Zach Wilson).

B.) Head Coach in Robert Saleh (who we all love). 

C.) Top 5 Available Salary Cap Space.

D.) The NFLs #1 Draft Capital with two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, one 3rd round pick, two 4th round picks and two 5th round picks ala 9 picks within just the first 5 rounds (first time in Franchise history). 

In closing I was only here looking to read up on some Matthew Stafford posts and then I stumbled upon this thread and couldn't stop 🤭😆🤭 because we've got the 4th overall pick; so why on earth would a team trade their #4 overall (1st round), #35 overall (3rd pick of 2nd round) and #38 overall (6th pick of the 2nd round) just in order to move up "two slots"? That's insane man.

Using 4/35/38 for #2? I'd break my TV. 

Evan Neal (OT).

Kayvon Thibodeaux (Edge). 

Ikem Ekwonu (OT/OG).

Aidan Hutchinson (Edge).

Kyle Hamilton (Safety).

One of these 5 beast players are guaranteed to be there at #4 overall (and one might even fall to us @ #10 overall too). 

Using 4/35/38 for #2? I'd break my TV. 

I can appreciate your passion, which is obvious with the amount of effort you're putting into this response.

The purpose of the mock was mainly to see how it might look, from a Lions perspective, if we were to make that kind of a trade down. I can't recall the podcast that was discussing this tackle class (maybe a PFF one) and how it's really top heavy. They specifically mentioned the Jets as a team who would have an eye on adding someone there.

Jags could take Neal at #1, leaving you with Ekwonu (might be better fit at guard, is that worth it at #4?) and Cross. If they wanted to provide Wilson with protection and have a bookend of young tackles, their best option could wind up not being there. If they have concerns about KT and he starts to slide, then he could be a riskier pick. This also wouldn't resolve your issue in trying to protect ZW and ensure he doesn't take the kind of hits that guys like Burrow and Stafford have taken early on in their careers. 

The fact that you guys have SO much draft capital does provide some flexibility in making moves to ensure that you get 'your guy' and build the team out. 

This is likely not a 'probable' situation but it's not impossible either. We could debate draft capital and it's possible the Lions would have to give something up or just not get back as much. Most of the mock drafts have us taking Hutchinson or Thibodeaux at #2. I wanted to see how it would look if we made a small trade down and neither of those guys were available or targets. 

[CWood21]

On 2/9/2022 at 9:24 AM, Karnage84 said:

Jets trade pick #4, #35, #38 (2870 points) - select Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State

Lions trade pick #2 (2600 points)

I really do understand why this would be a dream scenario for Detroit, I just don't think it's realistic.  The Jets are giving up 3 top-40 picks just to move up to #2.  Unless the Jets had Ikem Ekwonu graded out as an elite LT prospect, I don't think this deal gains any traction.  I feel fairly confident that the Jets are going to be very content letting the board fall to them and selecting one of Hutch, Thibs, Stingley, or even an OT.  The board is pretty damn clean for them, so I think there'd need to be a clear tier grade lean there for them to even consider moving up.  And I don't think it's at 120% of the board value.

[Karnage84]

6 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

I really do understand why this would be a dream scenario for Detroit, I just don't think it's realistic.  The Jets are giving up 3 top-40 picks just to move up to #2.  Unless the Jets had Ikem Ekwonu graded out as an elite LT prospect, I don't think this deal gains any traction.  I feel fairly confident that the Jets are going to be very content letting the board fall to them and selecting one of Hutch, Thibs, Stingley, or even an OT.  The board is pretty damn clean for them, so I think there'd need to be a clear tier grade lean there for them to even consider moving up.  And I don't think it's at 120% of the board value.

I'm not looking at Ekwonu as an elite level prospect but more so having to do with Charles Cross. If Ekwonu isn't that guy, the cupboard starts to thin out. Grabbing one of the top 2 guys and solidifying the position group while protecting your franchise QB in the process does have value. If you think Ekwonu is a solid prospect and is the next best guy, then arguably would stand put. If he's looking to be more of a guard and the next best guy is Cross who has had a ton of experience playing in the SEC, there could be a drop off at the OT position group. A lot of "what if's" to make it work.

You could be right on the 120% of value, it's an imperfect trade but some of the framework could be there if it's a move that the Jets opted to take. 

[CWood21]

41 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

I'm not looking at Ekwonu as an elite level prospect but more so having to do with Charles Cross. If Ekwonu isn't that guy, the cupboard starts to thin out. Grabbing one of the top 2 guys and solidifying the position group while protecting your franchise QB in the process does have value. If you think Ekwonu is a solid prospect and is the next best guy, then arguably would stand put. If he's looking to be more of a guard and the next best guy is Cross who has had a ton of experience playing in the SEC, there could be a drop off at the OT position group. A lot of "what if's" to make it work.

You could be right on the 120% of value, it's an imperfect trade but some of the framework could be there if it's a move that the Jets opted to take. 

Because drafting for need has never blown up on a team before?  Ikem Ekwonu would need to grade out as the elite prospect of the bunch, and I think that's unlikely.  But then you add in a premium on that trade, and the whole situation seems like nothing more then a Lions' fans wish.  Let me ask you this, who would you take at 2 IF a trade doesn't happen?

[Karnage84]

1 hour ago, CWood21 said:

Because drafting for need has never blown up on a team before?  Ikem Ekwonu would need to grade out as the elite prospect of the bunch, and I think that's unlikely.  But then you add in a premium on that trade, and the whole situation seems like nothing more then a Lions' fans wish.  Let me ask you this, who would you take at 2 IF a trade doesn't happen?

We're likely taking Hutchinson. He's not Myles Garrett or Aaron Donald, so we're not going to be getting an elite level/game changer. I'm ok with a guy with a high floor, low ceiling if the alternative is a much bigger risk. Injuries are one thing but drive/motivation is another.

Again, I'm talking about Ekwonu NOT being an elite level talent. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. The pool is more shallow in that scenario and Charles Cross gets bumped up in rankings. This is also not a "I want the Lions to trade with the Jets" but more of a "what if the Jets were motivated to make this move, how could it look?". Inspired by another person's comments about the tackle class and what they've heard the Jets are looking to add. It's just fleshing things out and see how it could look for the Lions under that scenario. 

[Just Want A Title]

Kudos for trying to put together a first round trade back.  I haven't been able to see a path forward on that because teams like the Jets and Giants are re-building just like the Lions and can use every bit of draft capital they have.  A trade back from 32 for an additional 2d rounder and more is a good idea though.  Kyle Hamilton is a great prospect.  The only thing I don't really agree with is that we don't take an edge player until Rd 3.  Romeo Okwara is coming back from an Achilles injury.  Julian Okwara has only been a role player.  Trey Flowers is solid when healthy but his release is a done deal.  If we don't get one early in Round 1, we could target Cameron Thomas or Logan Hall in Round 2.  But overall, nice work as usual.  

[DefenseWinsChampionships]

3 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

We're likely taking Hutchinson. He's not Myles Garrett or Aaron Donald, so we're not going to be getting an elite level/game changer. I'm ok with a guy with a high floor, low ceiling if the alternative is a much bigger risk. Injuries are one thing but drive/motivation is another.

Again, I'm talking about Ekwonu NOT being an elite level talent. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. The pool is more shallow in that scenario and Charles Cross gets bumped up in rankings. This is also not a "I want the Lions to trade with the Jets" but more of a "what if the Jets were motivated to make this move, how could it look?". Inspired by another person's comments about the tackle class and what they've heard the Jets are looking to add. It's just fleshing things out and see how it could look for the Lions under that scenario. 

The Jets are fine @ OT.

Mekhi Becton was amazing as a Rookie then got injured week 1 of his 2nd season last year and George Fant played awesome @ LT. 

Mekhi Becton is a freak of nature beast and will be back 2022 @ Franchise LT and George Fant goes back to RT. 

The Jets need more help @ edge rusher, interior O-Line, WR, TE, LB and Safety more than help @ OT. 

If we want an OT. Evan Neal isn't the one to trade up for because he's projected as an NFL RT instead of Franchise LT. 

Nonetheless the Jets absolutely love our #4 slot and will draft whichever impact player falls to us; it's pick #10 that we're trying to trade back from and into the later 1st round (with a QB hungry team) while picking up even more draft capital. 

We're coming off of 2-14 and 4-13 losing seasons and we have one too many holes to trade up for anyone. 

Edited February 18, 2022 by DefenseWinsChampionships

[CWood21]

8 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

We're likely taking Hutchinson. He's not Myles Garrett or Aaron Donald, so we're not going to be getting an elite level/game changer. I'm ok with a guy with a high floor, low ceiling if the alternative is a much bigger risk. Injuries are one thing but drive/motivation is another.

Again, I'm talking about Ekwonu NOT being an elite level talent. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. The pool is more shallow in that scenario and Charles Cross gets bumped up in rankings. This is also not a "I want the Lions to trade with the Jets" but more of a "what if the Jets were motivated to make this move, how could it look?". Inspired by another person's comments about the tackle class and what they've heard the Jets are looking to add. It's just fleshing things out and see how it could look for the Lions under that scenario. 

Again, why would the Jets pay a premium for a non-premium prospect?  They're not going to overpay for a guy they're lukewarm on simply because the rest of the OT class sucks.

[jrry32]

9 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

We're likely taking Hutchinson. He's not Myles Garrett or Aaron Donald, so we're not going to be getting an elite level/game changer. I'm ok with a guy with a high floor, low ceiling if the alternative is a much bigger risk. Injuries are one thing but drive/motivation is another.

I don't think he has a low ceiling. He's not the pure talent that Nick Bosa was, but that doesn't always matter. Hell, Aaron Donald wouldn't have lasted to #14 if people knew what he was going to be. I look at what Hutchinson can do, and I don't see much that separates him physically from Jared Allen, who was a very dominant edge rusher. Does that mean he'll pan out like Allen? No. But he has that potential.