Dome Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Post em if you got em. Feel free to repost stuff from other threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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saintsfan Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I forget who tweeted it, but Craig Robertson has the second highest run stop % in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 not listed is Ken Crawley at #20. QBs simply have nowhere to throw the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 hour ago, sammymvpknight said: not listed is Ken Crawley at #20. QBs simply have nowhere to throw the ball. So here's what I don't get about PFF. Wasn't there just a thread that stated Vaccaro was bottom 5 in the NFL for his position. Obviously I think most Saints fans knew that wasn't accurate as he has been playing great after the first couple games, but I just don't get how he can have this type of dominant number in coverage, but still have be rated so low by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 37 minutes ago, tyler735 said: So here's what I don't get about PFF. Wasn't there just a thread that stated Vaccaro was bottom 5 in the NFL for his position. Obviously I think most Saints fans knew that wasn't accurate as he has been playing great after the first couple games, but I just don't get how he can have this type of dominant number in coverage, but still have be rated so low by them. I’m pretty certain that it has to do with inconsistancy in run defense. He’s been lights out as a pass defender. PFF greatly rewards players for run defense...it’s the reason Cam Jordan is always near the top of the list over flashy pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Quote Alvin Kamara: 25 [offensive snaps] (42%) Just 25 snaps and Kamara had 152 total yards (84 receiving, 68 rushing) on 16 touches (6 receptions, 10 rushes) and two touchdowns. https://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2017/11/6/16607236/saints-snap-counts-alvin-kamara-25-snaps-impact-big-day-over-buccaneers-marshon-lattimore-aj-klein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 hours ago, tyler735 said: So here's what I don't get about PFF. Wasn't there just a thread that stated Vaccaro was bottom 5 in the NFL for his position. Obviously I think most Saints fans knew that wasn't accurate as he has been playing great after the first couple games, but I just don't get how he can have this type of dominant number in coverage, but still have be rated so low by them. 2 hours ago, sammymvpknight said: I’m pretty certain that it has to do with inconsistancy in run defense. He’s been lights out as a pass defender. PFF greatly rewards players for run defense...it’s the reason Cam Jordan is always near the top of the list over flashy pass rushers. I know @iPwn is a subscriber to their Pro Stats. Maybe he has a better understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: I know @iPwn is a subscriber to their Pro Stats. Maybe he has a better understanding. I've heard different prices for this. Their website says 200 a year, but I've heard people say it's actually a lot higher than that. It's hard to justify 200 a year, but it's right on the borderline when I tell myself I would just blow that money anyway. But other prices I've seen like 2 grand is out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, domepatrol91 said: I know @iPwn is a subscriber to their Pro Stats. Maybe he has a better understanding. That photo is his stats when playing Corner and doesn’t include anything when he plays Safety. Vocarro’s full grade from them is 41.4. He has a 40.4 grade for coverage, 80.0 for run defense, and 70.4 for pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: I've heard different prices for this. Their website says 200 a year, but I've heard people say it's actually a lot higher than that. It's hard to justify 200 a year, but it's right on the borderline when I tell myself I would just blow that money anyway. But other prices I've seen like 2 grand is out of the question. The price depends on which package you get and which set of stats and licenses for distribution you have. I love analytics and think they have a place in the sport, but PFF has a long way to go before I could justifiably tell anyone (outside of someone doing journalism that might use them for reference) that any of their tiers are worth the cost. There’s too many holes and problems with their system for generating the stats that make them unreliable. In many respects they’re the best we have, but they’re not good enough to warrant the price points on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Ok, MJD just said on NFL network he'd rather have Case Keenum than Drew Brees. Case Keenum, 7 Tds, 3 INTs, 63% comp, 6.9 yards/attempt 88 rating. Drew Brees, 13 TDs, 4 INTs, 71.6% comp, 8.1 yards/attempt 105 rating. Then he justifies it by saying the Saints have a good defense. Lol, and the Vikings don't? And people wonder why I defend Brees as much as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Jlowe22 said: Ok, MJD just said on NFL network he'd rather have Case Keenum than Drew Brees. Case Keenum, 7 Tds, 3 INTs, 63% comp, 6.9 yards/attempt 88 rating. Drew Brees, 13 TDs, 4 INTs, 71.6% comp, 8.1 yards/attempt 105 rating. Then he justifies it by saying the Saints have a good defense. Lol, and the Vikings don't? And people wonder why I defend Brees as much as I do. Well, the guy across from him said Drew isn't having an amazing season. I think MJD just wanted to agree so he could have another argument for him favoring the Vikings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, JMG5 said: Well, the guy across from him said Drew isn't having an amazing season. I think MJD just wanted to agree so he could have another argument for him favoring the Vikings. I know they just want to have opposing viewpoints, but Case Keenum over Brees is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: I know they just want to have opposing viewpoints, but Case Keenum over Brees is silly. I'll take Brees and his noodle arm over almost any QB. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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