wcblack34 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: Is there a metric that combats this notion of “well of course Cousins raw stats look good, his defence is so bad comparably, that he needs to constantly throw to catch up and he gets the ball back with more offensive possessions comparably” I'd argue that Wins and Losses combat it. It's the only stat that ultimately matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 7 hours ago, CriminalMind said: Is there a metric that combats this notion of “well of course Cousins raw stats look good, his defence is so bad comparably, that he needs to constantly throw to catch up and he gets the ball back with more offensive possessions comparably” Garbage time Stats. Prior to last year Kirk put up a lot of bulk stats in garbage time, but between last year and this year there haven’t been many garbage time opportunities and he’s been playing some of the best football of his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 11 hours ago, wcblack34 said: I'd argue that Wins and Losses combat it. It's the only stat that ultimately matters. Apparently the only thing that matters anymore is your DVOA ranking. I'd love to see a team go out there and say "We don't care about winning championships. We just want a high DVOA score!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Kirk Cousins has thrown for 4,322 yards so far this season. That is the 2ND MOST ALL TIME for the Vikings in a single season trailing only Daunte Culpepper’s team record of 4,717 set in 2004. Cousins also holds the third and fourth spots for most yards by a Vikings QB in a season with 4,322 in 2022 and 4,298 in 2018. vikings.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 7 hours ago, vike daddy said: Kirk Cousins has thrown for 4,322 yards so far this season. That is the 2ND MOST ALL TIME for the Vikings in a single season trailing only Daunte Culpepper’s team record of 4,717 set in 2004. Cousins also holds the third and fourth spots for most yards by a Vikings QB in a season with 4,322 in 2022 and 4,298 in 2018. vikings.com And he finished with 4,547 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Cousins is 3,841 yards behind Tommy Kramer to take second place as the Vikings' career passing leader. he's over 12,000 yards behind Tarkenton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, vike daddy said: Cousins is 3,841 yards behind Tommy Kramer to take second place as the Vikings' career passing leader. he's over 12,000 yards behind Tarkenton. So, as long as he's around next season, he'll likely surpass Kramer. Catching Tark would be a little more difficult. But, even if he were to surpass Tarkenton, there's clearly no way he'd ever be considered a better QB, but I can make the argument that he's a better QB than both Kramer and Daunte. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 He's a better passer than tarkenton, we could say that. more accurate, cleaner passes. Tark threw a lot of wobbly ducks, his receivers bailed him out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, swede700 said: but I can make the argument that he's a better QB than both Kramer and Daunte. I do t think there’s an argument to be made. He’s better, simple as that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: I do t think there’s an argument to be made. He’s better, simple as that. I don't think there is either, but some have seemed to believe Daunte was a really good QB. I always had an issue with his ability to read defenses and thought he was a product of the OC he worked with. He certainly had talent, but never thought he was a very good QB. And I can't tell you how many different people I got in an argument with about Tommy. As far as I was concerned, I always thought the late Wade Wilson was a better QB than Tommy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, swede700 said: Yep. I think Kwesi understands that "it's a lot easier to get worse at the QB position than to get better." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 hours ago, wcblack34 said: Yep. I think Kwesi understands that "it's a lot easier to get worse at the QB position than to get better." At the same time, it’s a lot easier to find better if you get worse in the immediate term. In other words, sometimes you need a top 10 pick to get it done and if you’re okay with above average you may never become great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 50 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: At the same time, it’s a lot easier to find better if you get worse in the immediate term. In other words, sometimes you need a top 10 pick to get it done and if you’re okay with above average you may never become great. Too many teams have gone the “it must get worse before it gets better” route and they just stay in the cellar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, vikingsrule said: At the same time, it’s a lot easier to find better if you get worse in the immediate term. In other words, sometimes you need a top 10 pick to get it done and if you’re okay with above average you may never become great. This is true, but Kirk Cousins is pretty similar to Matt Stafford when ranking QBs. You can win with him, but he needs a lot of help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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