Eric dunn Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Tanking. Call it what you want. It works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Eric dunn said: Kwesi & KOC were supposed to be viewed as long term/project/high ceiling hires. But now the are expected to win right away because they decided to tie their respective careers to the 12th-15th best QB in the NFL at a top 5 salary. There’s nothing anyone can say that will make it make sense to me. It just doesn’t. 1. Kwesi/O’Connell are viewed as forward thinking, high ceiling hires. Maybe take a breathe, take a step back, and figure out why you’re view point is wrong instead of assuming they are. 2. They aren’t tying their careers to anything. It’s a 1 year extension with a highly productive veteran QB. Which allows the rookie HC to have some stability while implementing his plan. 3. Cousins is a top 10 QB, and has been playing as such for the past 3 years. 4. It’s not a top 5 salary, and might not even be a top 10 salary by the end of March. Edited March 14, 2022 by SemperFeist 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I'm really excited to see what KOC and Wes Phillips can do with Cousins. Cousins has improved tremendously over the last couple of seasons and I can see a career year for him in purple next year. Skol! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric dunn Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: 1. Kwesi/O’Connell are viewed as forward thinking, high ceiling hires. Maybe take a breathe, take a step back, and figure out why you’re view point is wrong instead of assuming they are. 2. They aren’t tying their careers to anything. It’s a 1 year extension with a highly productive veteran QB. Which allows the rookie HC to have some stability while implementing his plan. 3. Cousins is a top 10 QB, and has been playing as such for the past 3 years. 4. It’s not a top 5 salary, and might not even be a top 10 salary by the end of March. 1. A forward thinking GM wouldn’t have done this extension. A forward thinking GM would’ve gotten what he could in a trade. This isn’t what’s best for the future of this team, it’s what’s best for 2022. 2. They are on 4 year contracts. So signing Cousins for this year & next & adding void years will leave a blemish if this doesn’t go well. Two years in the NFL of something not working can get old real fast. When you sign a 34 year old QB to that deal, your saying you think you can win now. 3. You say he’s top 10. But your probably one who looks at his stats or PFF. What about QBR? What about leadership? What about his inability to elevate the team around him? Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, Burrow, Herbert, Jackson, Murray, Prescott, Carr & possibly Stafford. That’s 13 QBs better than Kirk IMO. And I’d take guys like Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance, & Jones over him. You tell me which of those listed QBs in the top 13 you’d honestly take Kirk over? 4. It’s top 6 salary this year & top 7 next year as we sit right now. So yeah, that is too high. Edited March 14, 2022 by Eric dunn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric dunn Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I legitimately can’t believe how many people are happy with this. Two more years of Kirk Cousins guaranteed to be the starting QB. Then if he’s gone, still paying him. All while likely having no shot at Bryce Young or Stroud because we will be in the middle of the first, trying to chase our tail by taking a guard. Because we just need one or two more pieces to get over the hump. I’m sick of it. Sick of being middling, average, mediocre, and in purgatory. I want to be excited about a young QB again. Excited of what the future holds at the position. Ready to legitimately compete year in and year out. Not just hope for lightning in a bottle with our expensive 34-35 year old QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Eric dunn said: I legitimately can’t believe how many people are happy with this. Two more years of Kirk Cousins guaranteed to be the starting QB. Then if he’s gone, still paying him. All while likely having no shot at Bryce Young or Stroud because we will be in the middle of the first, trying to chase our tail by taking a guard. Because we just need one or two more pieces to get over the hump. I’m sick of it. Sick of being middling, average, mediocre, and in purgatory. I want to be excited about a young QB again. Excited of what the future holds at the position. Ready to legitimately compete year in and year out. Not just hope for lightning in a bottle with our expensive 34-35 year old QB. Cousins is the best we’ve had in sometime. I’m more excited about him than throwing out another Tarvaris Jackson, Christian Ponder or Teddy Bridgewater. The track record with MN and young QBs is terrible and Cousins is well above those three and is better than anyone we’ve had under Center since Favre. I want to see a young QB too but I want it to be at the right time with the right player, it’s obviously not happening this year. I wouldn’t expect this extension to happen if there were some QBs in this years draft that are on the radar for pick 12, but I’m guessing there aren’t. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
British Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) That no trade clause is a killer. Without it, they could have traded him next off-season and used the picks to go get a QB. This sets them up to extend him again next year. If they don't, he gets a shot at unrestricted free agency in 2024 without the Vikings having any control. KAM and KOC didn't want to risk being without a QB this year, so probably won't like the idea next year either. If the Vikings have another mid 1st and no extra draft capital, the front office can't bank on drafting a franchise QB in '23. We've seen how desperate teams are for QBs this off-season. I suspect a 36-year-old Kirk will get paid on the open market, especially with QBs playing into their late 30s these days. Kirk has been the master at pulling off these short, fully guaranteed contracts all his career. Seems a good bet he'll be able to squeeze another year out of the Vikings in 12 months time. Edited March 14, 2022 by British Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric dunn Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, vikingsrule said: Cousins is the best we’ve had in sometime. I’m more excited about him than throwing out another Tarvaris Jackson, Christian Ponder or Teddy Bridgewater. The track record with MN and young QBs is terrible and Cousins is well above those three and is better than anyone we’ve had under Center since Favre. I want to see a young QB too but I want it to be at the right time with the right player, it’s obviously not happening this year. I wouldn’t expect this extension to happen if there were some QBs in this years draft that are on the radar for pick 12, but I’m guessing there aren’t. For the sake of your argument. What has that meant for the team? Kirk is better than Teddy, Ponder & Tjax. Ok. Where has that gotten the team? In 4 years with Kirk the team is 33-31. The 4 years before Kirk we were 39-25, with “worse” QBs than Kirk. 2 playoff appearances & a division title with a “worse” QB than Kirk. 1 playoff appearance in 4 years with Kirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopherwrestler Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, British said: Kirk has been the master at pulling off these short, fully guaranteed contracts all his career. Seems a good bet he'll be able to squeeze another year out of the Vikings in 12 months time. He is literally the only player that truly took advantage of the franchise tag, year after year. It almost locked him into a big guaranteed contract. It also locked him into another year of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, Eric dunn said: For the sake of your argument. What has that meant for the team? Kirk is better than Teddy, Ponder & Tjax. Ok. Where has that gotten the team? In 4 years with Kirk the team is 33-31. The 4 years before Kirk we were 39-25, with “worse” QBs than Kirk. 2 playoff appearances & a division title with a “worse” QB than Kirk. 1 playoff appearance in 4 years with Kirk. We're going to see if it was Zimmers (turned toxic) regime, Spielmans outdated roster building tendencies or Kirks play is to blame. KOC just took Matt Staffords game to a new level in only one year with the Rams. I'm sure KOC think he can do the same with Kirk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Best case, we’ll be a wild card team, losing in the first round the next 2 years, and No draft capital to get a “premier QB” at a high draft slot in 2023. And then we can extend Cousins again for 1-2 years again after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCountryEvo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Keep in mind, a no trade clause doesn’t mean no trade possible, but that Kirk has a right to refuse a trade. It absolutely makes things difficult and reduces the possibility of a trade, but it’s not impossible albeit unlikely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
British Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, NorthCountryEvo said: Keep in mind, a no trade clause doesn’t mean no trade possible, but that Kirk has a right to refuse a trade. It absolutely makes things difficult and reduces the possibility of a trade, but it’s not impossible albeit unlikely. It does suggest though that KAM and KOC have little intention of trading him. The plan is not to cash in next year and use the picks to get a stud '23 QB. It suggests 2 more years of Kirk and quite probably another extension next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fobos Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 "We'll never get a franchise QB if we don't organically lose on purpose in 2022." And yet: Aaron Rogers 1.24 Russell Wilson 3.75 Tom Brady 6.199 Derek Carr 2.36 Lamar Jackson 1.32 Deshawn Watson 1.12 The Vikes need to draft well, not lose games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Eric dunn said: I legitimately can’t believe how many people are happy with this. Two more years of Kirk Cousins guaranteed to be the starting QB. Then if he’s gone, still paying him. All while likely having no shot at Bryce Young or Stroud because we will be in the middle of the first, trying to chase our tail by taking a guard. Because we just need one or two more pieces to get over the hump. I’m sick of it. Sick of being middling, average, mediocre, and in purgatory. I want to be excited about a young QB again. Excited of what the future holds at the position. Ready to legitimately compete year in and year out. Not just hope for lightning in a bottle with our expensive 34-35 year old QB. Then cheer for the Jets. They get a new shiny QB every couple of years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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