Heimdallr Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 It is crazy to me that STILL, people want to dump the best QB the franchise has ever had. I felt tthat way 3 years ago and still do. No disrespect to Fran, but Kirk is far and away a better QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: It is crazy to me that STILL, people want to dump the best QB the franchise has ever had. I felt tthat way 3 years ago and still do. No disrespect to Fran, but Kirk is far and away a better QB. How many playoff wins. I see alot of empty stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, CriminalMind said: How many playoff wins. I see alot of empty stats Wins are are a team stat. Playoff wins are a front office stat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 I'm 35. Do people not remember the last 30-ish years of Vikings football? Who was the best QB outside of Kirk since Fran? Daunte Culpepper in 2005?? Since I have ben alive I haven't seen a Vikings QB that is anywhere near what Kirk is. I won't comment on anything before 1995 since I never watched it, but looking at results, nothing remarkable has happened at the position in a long time. I hope the ancients correct me if I'm wrong. Having a good team and a good QB are different. Go ahead and get rid of Kirk, and have fun with a few more decades of Case Keenum, Sam Bradford, Shaun Hill, Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Cassel, Christian Ponder, Joe Webb, Tarvaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, and retirement-age rentals. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Guts Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Heimdallr said: It is crazy to me that STILL, people want to dump the best QB the franchise has ever had. I felt tthat way 3 years ago and still do. No disrespect to Fran, but Kirk is far and away a better QB. No. Fran won an MVP and had thrown for yards than any QB in history when he retired. Fran is in the hall of fame, Kirk will not be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Worm Guts said: No. Fran won an MVP and had thrown for yards than any QB in history when he retired. Fran is in the hall of fame, Kirk will not be. If Kirk ever got a ring he might at least have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 No team has ever won the Super Bowl in the same season they lost a game against Cousins when he was the starting quarterback. https://vikingsterritory.com/2023/general-news/the-kirk-cousins-curse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Heimdallr said: It is crazy to me that STILL, people want to dump the best QB the franchise has ever had. I felt tthat way 3 years ago and still do. No disrespect to Fran, but Kirk is far and away a better QB. Wrong. Fran took the team to 3 Super Bowls and held every major passing record at the time of his retirement, including the touchdown record he held for 17 years! Tarkenton's mobility alone puts him well ahead of Kirk. I am willing to say that Cousins is the 2nd best quarterback in team history, but the distance between 1st and 2nd is significant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Guts Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Heimdallr said: I'm 35. Do people not remember the last 30-ish years of Vikings football? Who was the best QB outside of Kirk since Fran? Daunte Culpepper in 2005?? Since I have ben alive I haven't seen a Vikings QB that is anywhere near what Kirk is. I won't comment on anything before 1995 since I never watched it, but looking at results, nothing remarkable has happened at the position in a long time. I hope the ancients correct me if I'm wrong. Having a good team and a good QB are different. Go ahead and get rid of Kirk, and have fun with a few more decades of Case Keenum, Sam Bradford, Shaun Hill, Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Cassel, Christian Ponder, Joe Webb, Tarvaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, and retirement-age rentals. Sure you have. Maybe only for single seasons, but Brett Favre and Randall Cunningham definitely had great seasons with Vikings, maybe even Jeff George belongs in the discussion . I’m not trying to disparage Kirk, but we generally had a higher level of success in the 90’s with retreads than we have had with Kirk. I’d rather have a good team than a good QB. It’s not all on him, but we’ve been pretty mediocre as a team during his tenure. Edited October 9, 2023 by Worm Guts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Heimdallr said: It is crazy to me that STILL, people want to dump the best QB the franchise has ever had. I felt tthat way 3 years ago and still do. And in 3 years nothing has changed. At some point you need to move on. And you need to do it before you put the team in an even tougher spot to be competitive. Cousins is a good quarterback, I don’t think anyone would deny that. But he is a QB with faults and deficiencies, and right now this team is in a place where they need someone who can do what Cousins is deficient at. It’s just time to turn that page. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc_vikingfan Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Like I said in the gameday thread Kirk is a good QB. However, expensive non-elite 36-year QBs are not the way to go in the current NFL. Something that is a little frustrating is some in the fanbase fear of being bad at QB and accepting someone average. If you believe Kirk is a great QB and can win us a Super Bowl I can understand and accept that logic. However, the fear of not wanting to go back to some dark ages of QB is something I can't accept. I'm 39 and the Vikings honestly never had a long-term franchise QB. Yet, they only had 1 top 5 draft pick, been to 4 NFCCGs, and have one of the highest win pct in the NFL since I started watching them at the age of 7. This franchise will never reach its full potential if stays comfortable being just good enough to not be an embarrassment. Wilfs, KAM, and KOC can't stay stuck in neutral I prefer the Vikings draft a QB who can grow with this young offense. Kirk is set in his ways and at his age he's more likely to get worse, not better over the next few years. Edited October 9, 2023 by dc_vikingfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Ive said this for years and will say it again Kirk Cousins is the epitome of QB purgatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Stating that Kirk is a better QB than Fran should be in the Hall of Fame of Preposterous Statements. Fran just calling his own plays makes him a better QB than Kirk. Don't even really need to get into anything else. Kirk can't even call a play to down the ball when the pressure's on. But, Kirk is clearly the 2nd best QB that this franchise has ever had. It's just unfortunate that this franchise wasn't the one that really developed him. He's certainly gotten better at several things than when he arrived, but a lot of the major deficiencies he had when he arrived 6 seasons ago are still there today. And the time has just come to try something different. We shouldn't be afraid to do so either. We're not 2 generations of Packers fans who have only known HoF-level QBing and probably sense some fear of what will happen when they don't. We've already had decades of a lot of retreads and sub-par QBing. We've been there before and still actually had quite a bit of success, even if it didn't include Super Bowls. If it happens again, then so be it. We're professionals at handling it. But, it's worth the risk, because you never know. They might actually get someone they can develop into an elite QB, which hasn't really happened since Fran (Daunte's elite play was so short-lived, I can't count it). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, swede700 said: Stating that Kirk is a better QB than Fran should be in the Hall of Fame of Preposterous Statements. Fran just calling his own plays makes him a better QB than Kirk. Don't even really need to get into anything else. Kirk can't even call a play to down the ball when the pressure's on. But, Kirk is clearly the 2nd best QB that this franchise has ever had. It's just unfortunate that this franchise wasn't the one that really developed him. He's certainly gotten better at several things than when he arrived, but a lot of the major deficiencies he had when he arrived 6 seasons ago are still there today. And the time has just come to try something different. We shouldn't be afraid to do so either. We're not 2 generations of Packers fans who have only known HoF-level QBing and probably sense some fear of what will happen when they don't. We've already had decades of a lot of retreads and sub-par QBing. We've been there before and still actually had quite a bit of success, even if it didn't include Super Bowls. If it happens again, then so be it. We're professionals at handling it. But, it's worth the risk, because you never know. They might actually get someone they can develop into an elite QB, which hasn't really happened since Fran (Daunte's elite play was so short-lived, I can't count it). 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 While I’m of the opinion that it’s time for the Vikings to turn the page on the Cousins chapter, the next 4 games should answer all questions as to whether or not the Vikings should entertain the idea of keeping Cousins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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