brownie man Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 My gut says we're going to fleece Seattle. That Howie Roseman special a 2023 second round pick and a 2024 conditional 3rd that could be a first. Or I could see us doing something like Baker and pick 44 to Carolina for pick 6 to take Jordan Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Seattle for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, brownie man said: Baker and pick 44 to Carolina for pick 6 to take Jordan Davis That would value Baker roughly at the #13 overall pick.... Think this is a pipe dream for Baker. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Forge said: Seattle for a second. Lockett + conditional 3rd. If he makes Pro Bowl the 3rd becomes a 2nd in 2023. Seahawks are looking to trade Lockett anyways and he would be a perfect WR2 with a skillset to compliment Cooper. Question is do the Browns value cap space from Baker or do they want to grab another 'right now player' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, AkronsWitness said: Lockett + conditional 3rd. If he makes Pro Bowl the 3rd becomes a 2nd in 2023. Seahawks are looking to trade Lockett anyways and he would be a perfect WR2 with a skillset to compliment Cooper. Question is do the Browns value cap space from Baker or do they want to grab another 'right now player' Lockett costs Seattle like 20 million more to trade than to keep. No chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I would lean Seattle but I leaned Atlanta earlier today and how did that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Forge said: Lockett costs Seattle like 20 million more to trade than to keep. No chance I think you're looking at his guaranteed salaries and roster bonuses, those would carry to Cleveland. According to OTC they can trade Lockett with a 5.15m cap hit. If they designate it a June 1st trade they could save 6.25m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Forge said: Lockett costs Seattle like 20 million more to trade than to keep. No chance But do they even care about that right now? They’re rebuilding. They might rather have baker or a pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dome said: That would value Baker roughly at the #13 overall pick.... Think this is a pipe dream for Baker. I think it depends on Carolina signing him long term and how team friendly are the extension terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dome said: I think you're looking at his guaranteed salaries and roster bonuses, those would carry to Cleveland. According to OTC they can trade Lockett with a 5.15m cap hit. If they designate it a June 1st trade they could save 6.25m Not sure where you're getting that. His option bonus was picked up last month, so he has signing bonus proration that escalates immediately (4x3.8) + option bonus proration (4x3.2). that's 28 million escalating against the cap this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, SkippyX said: I think it depends on Carolina signing him long term and how team friendly are the extension terms. Like if he agreed to a multi-year "prove it deal" kind of thing? I could see that putting his value a lot higher. Not sure about #13 though and not sure if Baker would be down. He might think he can demand 36m per year fully guaranteed, but no idea where his heads at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: But do they even care about that right now? They’re rebuilding. They might rather have baker or a pick I don't know why you needlessly just blow the money. It rolls over and he can contribute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Forge said: Not sure where you're getting that. His option bonus was picked up last month, so he has signing bonus proration that escalates immediately (4x3.8) + option bonus proration (4x3.2). that's 31 million escalating against the cap this year. According to Over The Cap that roster bonus would carry over on his contract to Cleveland. They're usually on the ball but maybe they're whiffing here. https://overthecap.com/player/tyler-lockett/3917/ the tool in the far right column, you can see what happens with different designations. the $21m cap hit only happens if he's cut. Edited March 19, 2022 by Dome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Forge said: I don't know why you needlessly just blow the money. It rolls over and he can contribute The giants took like a 30M cap hit when they traded Odell. It happens. Rebuilding teams want a young asset and picks. They might want to do baker for locket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Just now, Dome said: According to Over The Cap that roster bonus would carry over on his contract to Cleveland. They're usually on the ball but maybe they're whiffing here. So I'm looking into this and the only thing that makes sense is if the option bonus has guaranteed / locked in, but hasn't been paid. Spotrac doesn't state whether the option date listed is the guaranteed date or the paydate and I'm pretty sure that makes a difference. If Seattle has paid it, they are reponsible for the corresponding cap hit. If it's not been paid, it would be carried over to the new team. The date of pick up is noted on the contract terms (2/18/22) however that doesn't necessarily mean it's been paid (bonuses are usually get paid after the new league year at some point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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