DC Movie Universe

[Calvert28]

23 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

Watch The Death of Superman Lives; What Happened? There was some crazy stuff going on with that film

Also, there is a strong argument that DeVito’s Penguin is a garbage villain in his portrayal. Pfeiffer’s Catwoman is the much better foil in that film. 

I wanna see that argument because I think that's garbage. He may not have had that connection to Batman like Selina did in that movie. But he was unique in his portrayal. It wasn't high society Clock Work Orange like we see in the comics. Nor that laughable emo-son Wedding Crashers portrayal we saw in Gotham. He was socially awkward in the creepiest way, and displayed his fits of rage in awesome fashion like biting off a guy's nose. There was thing's about the movie that were a bit over done like the Gothic premise throughout the entire film. But Devito's Penguin I thought was perfect. Preferably I hope they make more villains in DC this menacing. Like honestly, trying to blow up 2 ferries full of people is cool. But there is something darker about trying to drown thousands of newborns. 

[O'Doyle Rules]

http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/12/07/justice-league-box-office-disappointment-leads-to-dc-films-reorg?read

Restructuring.

 

[Miami49er]

They can "restructure" all they want. They need a head guy guiding this whole thing so everything is in sync and makes sense. Right now it's too many cooks in the kitchen. They definitely need a Kevin Feige type of person at the head of DC Films. 

[seminoles1]

1 hour ago, Miami49er said:

They can "restructure" all they want. They need a head guy guiding this whole thing so everything is in sync and makes sense. Right now it's too many cooks in the kitchen. They definitely need a Kevin Feige type of person at the head of DC Films. 

They have Geoff Johns, but he's only been in charge for 2 movies.

[MacReady]

6 hours ago, Miami49er said:

They can "restructure" all they want. They need a head guy guiding this whole thing so everything is in sync and makes sense. Right now it's too many cooks in the kitchen. They definitely need a Kevin Feige type of person at the head of DC Films. 

It's not even too many cooks, it's too many meals with too many cooks on each meal. 

They immediately need to abandon every single movie that has not filmed a scene, and then they have to put all their time and resources and decision making acumen into one movie.  What better movie than The Flash: Flashpoint? 

If they move forward with an unconnected Joker movie or Gotham City Sirens or solo movies for villains, I'll just have to believe they still haven't restructured their own brains into something that's functional. 

[THE DUKE]

The problem with retconning the DCEU with Flashpoint is that you are essentially sacrificing the Flash's story to try to save the others.  Flashpoint worked well for the TV series and had impact because you already knew the characters, they invested the audience over 46 episodes in the first two seasons.  Starting the Flash off with Flashpoint is like having the first X-Men movie be Days of Future Past.  Sure, it may turn out OK, but it will still be less than it could have been.  What should be their plan moving forward is:

1. Aquaman - what it is, it's already done
2. The Flash - Establish back story, if they don't want to go with Reverse Flash right away, then just use a more minor villain who could be part of the Injustice League like Captain Cold or The Weatherman and really focus on the Flash
3. Batman - With Affleck, a gritty detective based story centered around Deathstroke.  Need to go smaller scale so every movie isn't about the end of the world
4. Wonder Woman 2 - Give her a nemesis, don't know her backstory well enough to know which one
5. Man of Steel 2 - The DCEU needs a feel good Superman movie.  Supes tone (post Jesus rebirth scene) in Justice League was great, I want to see a movie around that.  Include Luthor, but have him in the background, not in any direct conflict with Superman
6. Justice League 2 - Do injustice league and lay more ground work for Darkseid in JL3

What they should do is have Eisenberg (toned down) popping up all over these 6 movies like Nick Fury in Marvel phase 1.  Scrap a cyborg movie for now, but maybe include him in WW2 or MoS2 or The Flash to continue to build the character (sort of like Hawkeye or Black Widow in the MCU).  If phase 2 here goes well, give him his own movie in phase 3 (along with Martian Manhunter and Shazam).  Drop hints throughout those 6 for Darkseid, and then really ramp up the build up to him in phase 3 with JL3 being about Darkseid.
 

[iLikeDefense]

1 hour ago, THE DUKE said:

The problem with retconning the DCEU with Flashpoint is that you are essentially sacrificing the Flash's story to try to save the others.  Flashpoint worked well for the TV series and had impact because you already knew the characters, they invested the audience over 46 episodes in the first two seasons.  Starting the Flash off with Flashpoint is like having the first X-Men movie be Days of Future Past.  Sure, it may turn out OK, but it will still be less than it could have been.  What should be their plan moving forward is:

1. Aquaman - what it is, it's already done
2. The Flash - Establish back story, if they don't want to go with Reverse Flash right away, then just use a more minor villain who could be part of the Injustice League like Captain Cold or The Weatherman and really focus on the Flash
3. Batman - With Affleck, a gritty detective based story centered around Deathstroke.  Need to go smaller scale so every movie isn't about the end of the world
4. Wonder Woman 2 - Give her a nemesis, don't know her backstory well enough to know which one
5. Man of Steel 2 - The DCEU needs a feel good Superman movie.  Supes tone (post Jesus rebirth scene) in Justice League was great, I want to see a movie around that.  Include Luthor, but have him in the background, not in any direct conflict with Superman
6. Justice League 2 - Do injustice league and lay more ground work for Darkseid in JL3

What they should do is have Eisenberg (toned down) popping up all over these 6 movies like Nick Fury in Marvel phase 1.  Scrap a cyborg movie for now, but maybe include him in WW2 or MoS2 or The Flash to continue to build the character (sort of like Hawkeye or Black Widow in the MCU).  If phase 2 here goes well, give him his own movie in phase 3 (along with Martian Manhunter and Shazam).  Drop hints throughout those 6 for Darkseid, and then really ramp up the build up to him in phase 3 with JL3 being about Darkseid.
 

Pretty much like this way of thinking for DCEU.

And to answer your question on WW, perhaps have cheetah as the nemesis although idk how that would look. Hopefully not like the Island of Dr. Moreau's version of a cheetah.

[Deadpulse]

1 minute ago, iLikeDefense said:

And to answer your question on WW, perhaps have cheetah as the nemesis

I'm picturing a CGI nightmare

[iLikeDefense]

1 minute ago, Deadpulse said:

I'm picturing a CGI nightmare

Should go this route tbh.

[Deadpulse]

11 hours ago, seminoles1 said:

12 hours ago, Miami49er said:

They can "restructure" all they want. They need a head guy guiding this whole thing so everything is in sync and makes sense. Right now it's too many cooks in the kitchen. They definitely need a Kevin Feige type of person at the head of DC Films. 

They have Geoff Johns, but he's only been in charge for 2 movies.

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Jon Berg, who has been been co-running the DC Films division with DC president and chief creative officer Geoff Johns since May 2016, will exit that position. A search is underway to find Berg's replacement, and while Johns is expected to involved with DC movies in the future, his role may become less hands-on and more advisory. Moving forward, neither of these two men will likely be credited as producers on future DC movies. There's no word yet on who's being brought in to serve as the DCEU's main overseer.

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here also aren't any plans for Zack Snyder to direct other DC movies, as Time Warner is reportedly "frustrated" that he kept being brought back. However, Snyder will still be attached as a producer or executive producer on movies like Aquaman and Wonder Woman 2.

 

Looks like the restructuring is actually on the executive level not the movies themsevles

 

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1737629/how-dc-is-restructuring-following-justice-leagues-box-office

[Jakuvious]

7 hours ago, THE DUKE said:

The problem with retconning the DCEU with Flashpoint is that you are essentially sacrificing the Flash's story to try to save the others.  Flashpoint worked well for the TV series and had impact because you already knew the characters, they invested the audience over 46 episodes in the first two seasons.  Starting the Flash off with Flashpoint is like having the first X-Men movie be Days of Future Past.  Sure, it may turn out OK, but it will still be less than it could have been.  What should be their plan moving forward is:

1. Aquaman - what it is, it's already done
2. The Flash - Establish back story, if they don't want to go with Reverse Flash right away, then just use a more minor villain who could be part of the Injustice League like Captain Cold or The Weatherman and really focus on the Flash
3. Batman - With Affleck, a gritty detective based story centered around Deathstroke.  Need to go smaller scale so every movie isn't about the end of the world
4. Wonder Woman 2 - Give her a nemesis, don't know her backstory well enough to know which one
5. Man of Steel 2 - The DCEU needs a feel good Superman movie.  Supes tone (post Jesus rebirth scene) in Justice League was great, I want to see a movie around that.  Include Luthor, but have him in the background, not in any direct conflict with Superman
6. Justice League 2 - Do injustice league and lay more ground work for Darkseid in JL3

What they should do is have Eisenberg (toned down) popping up all over these 6 movies like Nick Fury in Marvel phase 1.  Scrap a cyborg movie for now, but maybe include him in WW2 or MoS2 or The Flash to continue to build the character (sort of like Hawkeye or Black Widow in the MCU).  If phase 2 here goes well, give him his own movie in phase 3 (along with Martian Manhunter and Shazam).  Drop hints throughout those 6 for Darkseid, and then really ramp up the build up to him in phase 3 with JL3 being about Darkseid.
 

I don't disagree with the list you have there. I think that would be a good way to narrow the priority list to just the established stuff before they go nuts with side characters and stuff.

But I do think Flashpoint as a starting off point with Flash could actually work really well. Flashpoint is pretty well centered around the stuff you'd want in a first Flash movie anyways. They've already introduced his father, so you start the movie off with the whole his mom getting killed and his dad getting blamed storyline. Have him still new as Flash and just pushing people and running away and then deciding to change the timeline when he realizes he has that ability. You don't actually need Flashpoint to have a big impact on any of the normal flash side characters. You don't even need an Iris for Flashpoint, for instance. Flashpoint really actually makes a lot of sense for a young, inexperienced Flash, given that the whole story line basically amounts to him really screwing up for selfish reasons.

For contrast, you mention how they did Flashpoint in the TV show. I actually was incredibly underwhelmed with Flashpoint in the TV show because they weren't capable or willing to have it effect the wider CW DC universe (and don't tell me that a baby changing gender was a ground breaking difference), and the impact of the whole thing was really just reserved to Flash and friends, which is not at all like the actual storyline. I'd argue the animated movie as a better example of Flashpoint being done well, and it had like 30 seconds worth of Iris, and otherwise was entirely about Barry, his mother, reverse flash, and the Justice League, which they could absolutely do as a first Flash movie.

 

And yeah, for a Wonder Woman nemesis, you're generally looking at something Greek (Ares, Circe, Medusa), Cheetah, or Giganta. Cheetah is probably the least bad option if we want a grounded storyline and someone who realistically might join a Luthor team. There's a lot they could pretty easily do to tone down Cheetah's appearance to avoid the CGI situation there. There's been a bunch of iterations and not all of them have been full on cat lady.

[StLunatic88]

Johns has been an instrumental part of the TV side of DC, can some of these execs just get the heck out of the way and let him work his magic?

[THE DUKE]

31 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said:

Johns has been an instrumental part of the TV side of DC, can some of these execs just get the heck out of the way and let him work his magic?

That answer is pretty clearly no.

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16 hours ago, seminoles1 said:

They have Geoff Johns, but he's only been in charge for 2 movies.

The guy who turned their comic book universe into hot mess after hot mess?  LoL good luck with that. 

[seminoles1]

Variety ran a report yesterday saying Affleck will appear in Flashpoint, but Reeves is looking to recast.  This is about the 1000th time this has been reported though.