Karnage84 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 https://www.electro-mech.com/team-sports/football/nfl-draft-is-georgias-matthew-stafford-best-of-a-weak-qb-crop/ Quote Penny says: April 20, 2009 at 5:24 pm If the Lions pick up Stafford he’s going to be ruined the first year out. He needs a team that’s going to really work with him and let him flourish as a starter. Reply Jack says: April 27, 2009 at 9:32 am I think the Lions are going to do all right by Stafford. They have the advantage of a new coaching staff and the time to bring Stafford on is right now where they can all grow and rebuild the team together. This is a great opportunity for this kid. Reply Ellen says: April 27, 2009 at 9:35 am Even Mayhew said that this is a good time for the team and that Stafford would have to be nurtured. I agree with Jack, Penny. The Lions will do all right for Stafford and if he makes it through the season and isn’t happy, well he has the option to ask for a trade. There are always clauses in the contracts for ways out. Oh... to be young and naïve. If they only knew. At least Penny was onto something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Comparing this draft class and how they're viewed compared to some of the top QB's over the last few years (according to NFL.com) Malik Willis - 6.41 Kenny Pickett - 6.40 Matt Corral - 6.40 Desmond Ridder - 6.36 Sam Howell - 6.22 Joe Burrow - 7.07 Jared Goff - 7.00 Tua Tagoviola - 6.77 Baker Mayfield - 6.70 Zach Wilson - 6.50 Trey Lance - 6.47 Justin Herbert - 6.45 Justin Fields - 6.45 Mac Jones - 6.33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Louis Friend said: This is exactly why I LOATHE drafting for "needs". You draft the best talent. You sign free agents to fill holes. Our issue was never drafting a TE (Ebron) at #10, it was passing up better players (Donald) to do so. Just like drafting a WR in the first round every year wasn't a bad option, the problem was we drafted the wrong talent (Rogers, Williams). Thank God the Lions didn't let them deter them from drafting Calvin Johnson. The issue isn't drafting a QB too early or too late. It's drafting the wrong QB. Any other year, Willis and Pickett would be day two draft picks. And I say that as having them as my top 2 QBs in this draft all along. They only reason people want them high is because there are no better QB options. But that doesn't make them top QBs. And that doesn't mean better options won't come around. Can Willis be a starting QB in this league in a year or two? I think so. But I don't think he's better than a number of players more worthy of taking #2. Ehh, I'd argue that was also part of the problem. Taking a TE top 10 is almost always a terrible decision. Pitts being the exception doesn't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: Ehh, I'd argue that was also part of the problem. Taking a TE top 10 is almost always a terrible decision. Pitts being the exception doesn't change that. Two TE's* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Just Want A Title said: Are you saying taking Stafford was good or bad? Taking Stafford was good. Not following that up by surrounding him with more talent, not so good. Taking Stafford was a waste. They didn’t have the talent when they drafted him and failed to improve the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryTheBest Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, diehardlionfan said: Taking Stafford was a waste. They didn’t have the talent when they drafted him and failed to improve the situation. So I think you have been pretty clear about your desire to build a team first, then plug in a QB. I generally remain objective in team building and feel that if Holmes/Campbell feel drafting Willis is the right move, we should do it. That said, I am all for the building a total team approach. Everyone in the Media wants to write off Goff like he is a bum. But the truth of the matter is, he is a former 1st overall pick that has proven himself to be a very capable QB when the talent surrounds him gives him the opportunity to maximize them. In my heart of hearts, I believe Holmes/Campbell are ready to ride with Goff and will build the team around him accordingly. I am good with that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, BarryTheBest said: So I think you have been pretty clear about your desire to build a team first, then plug in a QB. I generally remain objective in team building and feel that if Holmes/Campbell feel drafting Willis is the right move, we should do it. That said, I am all for the building a total team approach. Everyone in the Media wants to write off Goff like he is a bum. But the truth of the matter is, he is a former 1st overall pick that has proven himself to be a very capable QB when the talent surrounds him gives him the opportunity to maximize them. In my heart of hearts, I believe Holmes/Campbell are ready to ride with Goff and will build the team around him accordingly. I am good with that too. I have confidence in Holmes and Campbell. If they take a QB at number 2………….I would be on board 100%. Goff showed very well once Campbell got the play calling figured out. Personally I’m just old fashioned. Having watched the Lions repeatedly try and fail to build a team I really believe you build a team inside, outside, front to back. So far I’m pleased with the approach they’ve taken this time around. They still have a lot of work to do and there’s a number of ways they can attack the problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I don't really see the Lamar Jackson comps. Willis is nowhere near the same level of runner. Lamar dominated more talented players with his legs. Willis clearly has a better arm and is a bit more accurate. Physically he's more like poor man's Deshaun Watson or even like a Baker Mayfield with better scoots. Willis' stats, level of competition and tendency to throw behind guys worries the heck out of me. I'd love to smokescreen this so we can trade down, but I'm pretty set on Hutchinson, Hamilton or maybe Walker if I'm not just buying hype. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, nagahide13 said: I don't really see the Lamar Jackson comps. Willis is nowhere near the same level of runner. Lamar dominated more talented players with his legs. Willis clearly has a better arm and is a bit more accurate. Physically he's more like poor man's Deshaun Watson or even like a Baker Mayfield with better scoots. Willis' stats, level of competition and tendency to throw behind guys worries the heck out of me. I'd love to smokescreen this so we can trade down, but I'm pretty set on Hutchinson, Hamilton or maybe Walker if I'm not just buying hype. ^This 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Willis would be a very risky pick. Great physical talent, but his mental game has a ways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 15 hours ago, nagahide13 said: I don't really see the Lamar Jackson comps. Willis is nowhere near the same level of runner. Lamar dominated more talented players with his legs. Willis clearly has a better arm and is a bit more accurate. Physically he's more like poor man's Deshaun Watson or even like a Baker Mayfield with better scoots. Willis' stats, level of competition and tendency to throw behind guys worries the heck out of me. I'd love to smokescreen this so we can trade down, but I'm pretty set on Hutchinson, Hamilton or maybe Walker if I'm not just buying hype. Kordell Stewart has been my comp for Willis. Of course, Stewart entered the NFL at a time where they didn't really know how to utilize QBs like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 11:51 AM, Karnage84 said: Comparing this draft class and how they're viewed compared to some of the top QB's over the last few years (according to NFL.com) Malik Willis - 6.41 Kenny Pickett - 6.40 Matt Corral - 6.40 Desmond Ridder - 6.36 Sam Howell - 6.22 Joe Burrow - 7.07 Jared Goff - 7.00 Tua Tagoviola - 6.77 Baker Mayfield - 6.70 Zach Wilson - 6.50 Trey Lance - 6.47 Justin Herbert - 6.45 Justin Fields - 6.45 Mac Jones - 6.33 idontbelieveyou.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 9 hours ago, NudeTayne said: idontbelieveyou.jpg You're just massaging the truth.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 3:53 AM, nagahide13 said: Willis' stats, level of competition and tendency to throw behind guys worries the heck out of me. I'd love to smokescreen this so we can trade down, but I'm pretty set on Hutchinson, Hamilton or maybe Walker if I'm not just buying hype. Change Walker to Thibodeaux and that's exactly where I am as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical_Lions Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 50 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: Change Walker to Thibodeaux and that's exactly where I am as well. Same here, I just don't see it with Willis (plus, I like Corral much better anyway). Assuming a trade down doesn't materialize then grabbing Thibodeaux is the play. Another scenario that I like that sometimes gets mentioned is trading Decker and drafting another tackle. There are some good ones available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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